In which we discuss Unconditional Love.
Recorded May 23, 2024.
Transcript:
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so my my proposition for a conclusion
for a Simplicity beyond the complexity
of love is unconditional love exists
it’s not created or creatable it is
accessible and discoverable and as you
discover it you can display it but it
always exists amongst
everything unconditional is only used
with love let’s just start with that
you’re okay with that yeah tell me about
that I what else what else is there in
the world that is
unconditional I can’t think of anything
that you use that word
unconditional
unconditionally well unconditionally
maybe yeah so maybe maybe there are
things that are unconditional but you
don’t use that word to describe it are
there other words that you could use
that mean the same thing unconditional
is without condition so are there things
without condition are there things that
are accepted generally generally
acceptable generally accepted the Gap
generally accepted accounting principles
those are unconditional accounting
principles right yeah is not limited
it’s
absolute yeah they’re generally accepted
you you can use them anywhere um physics
the laws of physics seem to be
unconditional they don’t only apply to
this world they they’re supposed to be
Universal and tested universally so you
do have unconditional unconditional
means then that it’s open to testing
from any direction so is generally
accepted generally accepted as an idea
it seems that um
unconditional something being in an
unconditional State without
conditions would be bland is that
correct Bland and boring
like
heaven sitting on clouds eating
grapes that that type of unconditional
isn’t pleasing it it’s not it’s not fun
it’s not
desirable so is unconditional love also
undesirable un unconditional peace or
unconditional
joy joy without condition right because
that goes back to the scriptural
reference of opposition in all things
and the opposing
forces so if you try to love without an
opposing Force what is it is it love can
it be love can you have love if you
don’t have hate this book I read was
talked about the LoveHate relationship
if you do what I want you to do then I
love you if you don’t do that then I
hate
you most relationships I think he said
some something like that or LoveHate
relationships
as long as you do and operate the way I
want then I that’s a subjective thing
what what unconditional of be
objective and that’s okay subjective
subjective just means that you can make
a choice you can have a decision on it
the proposition was brought up that
unconditional love erases judgment it’s
just full acceptance so the question is
do do you have
to ident ifying that you’re going to
accept fully accept still states that
you do see you’re making a judgment
you’re making a judgment there’s there’s
good and there’s
bad and you’re accepting the good and
you’re ignoring the bad but you still
make a judgment it’s not a judgment free
zone you don’t throw your judgment away
right you still see that’s that’s a bad
part of them but I’m still going to
accept
yeah uh okay so who is loving
unconditionally in what we’re
discussing is the who the who is
important is what you’re
identifying I I think so I mean all
everything everything that I looked at
yesterday was um everything was
about well not everything one one was
not about God everything else was about
God God loves you
unconditionally um and yet there are
conditions there are Commandments right
so if he loves you unconditionally why
would there be
Commandments why would that exist can
you only say that that is a God thing
God is the only context in which we
speak of unconditional love or can a
human Unconditionally Love another human
and we’re talking about humans because I
brought out the question earlier about
animals do animals unconditionally is it
part of instinct is unconditional love
an instinctual action it’s a reaction
it’s something that always exists there
it was there from the beginning and we
just learn how to not do it anymore if
it’s an instinctual thing or for safety
reasons we can’t love something that’s
going to hurt us and so we get these
cues and your response system autonomic
response system is built to react when
someone comes to you with a with a
or something that’s off offensive
possibly harmful yeah weapons are
offensive you can’t love that thing so
there are things you can’t
Unconditionally Love You Can’t
Unconditionally Love a knife being stuck
into you that’s not going to be useful
well can you not do it because it’s not
useful so that’s kind of using
usefulness as the judge what is the real
judge yeah the real judgment
criteria and judgment I was looking at
this you con concentrate on the
strengths of others and Overlook their
weaknesses but that’s still in ID
indication you you have to to in order
to Unconditionally Love You have to
concentrate on their strengths and
ignore their weaknesses but you’re still
judging because you’re choosing to
ignore yeah that’s still it’s a choice
and that’s what makes it a choice so
unconditional love is a choice you have
opposites you have an evil and you have
a good and you’re going to accept the
good and you’re going to ignore the evil
you’re going to overlook the weakness or
the evil that’s still conditional
I think I think it’s still conditional
love if there’s a judgment like okay and
that’s that’s the question go ahead yeah
it’s it’s a unconditional would have to
be it’s going to happen no matter what
good or bad and you don’t choose whether
you’re going to love it or not it’s
unconditionally going to be
loved I think we need to think of like
specific something that we can test a
scenario that we canest okay so a mother
and a child let’s talk about
unconditional love in that context how
about
that
so conditional love would be I will love
you if you don’t do anything bad if you
don’t do anything that I don’t like
identify a specific don’t like let’s say
child intentionally does something
malicious
like like uh hits their brother on the
back of the head because she thinks it’s
fun yeah yeah and and despite all
attempts to make this kind of behavior
stop this kid still thinks that’s fun
and so we’re going to do that and right
I mean but then the mother still loves
the child but doesn’t love the behavior
right love this love the sinner hate the
sin if it’s a sin or or maybe it’s just
seeing that the reason that comes up is
because the NCIS that’s the that’s the
thing that
identifies Gibbs he’ll hit you on the
back of the head so that’s love in his
language in his language right so if in
your language she’s doing that and and
the other child sibling doesn’t like it
it makes them go crazy and it’s causing
anxiety is it unconditional love to let
let her continue to do it or
to condition your love who are stopping
doing it unconditional love it’s got
it you can’t let one person abuse
another and call that unconditional love
right right I mean so what do you do in
that case it is it is not love to let
someone continue in harmful behaviors
right so in that case what do you do
what is the what is the Avenue forward
to do do you lose unconditional love
then at that point so you’re doing
something harmful no what do they say I
do this because I love you you know like
parents parents might say something like
that while they’re punishing their kids
you you know that I’m doing this because
I love
you because they have a longer
view they they have experience and
wisdom and they know
what what uh they’ve been through that
before it’s it’s like the statement I I
was I used to be 12 I was 12 once and
when I was 12 these are the choices I
had and I learned when I was 16 and 35
that that’s not a good Avenue what
you’re what you’re walking down you need
to adjust it right now yeah and I’m
going to make you adjust it because I
love you yeah because my love is
unconditional for you I’m not going to
condition my love and decide to
so yeah unconditional love maybe it’s
not an
action they say love is an action Love
Is A Verb it’s what you do it’s not how
you feel it’s not what you you can’t you
can’t give someone love you can only
display it they don’t receive it it’s up
to them to receive the love
unconditionally it’s up to you to
deliver it
unconditionally so with that
idea I don’t know where I went there
the the other part of is a giving love
love is a verb and it’s only effective
from the person person displaying it the
other person isn’t required and isn’t
connected to receive it so unconditional
love it’s not I don’t think it’s a verb
you don’t think it’s a verb yeah
approaching unconditional love is not a
verb Love Is A
Verb conditioned or unconditioned Love
Is A Verb you can love and you’re either
conditioning the Love by trying to train
and teach something
uhhuh or you’re UNC conditioning the
Love by fully accepting what they’re
doing like we talked about if someone’s
responsible for selecting
music for an event and they come up with
a music um you can say I don’t love this
music or you can say I I unconditionally
accept and love the music that you
brought and that wouldn’t be
saying I accept this music because in
the long run it doesn’t matter it’s you
matter to me more than the music and so
I accept
what what comes with you yeah and that’s
and that’s the the Judgment if there’s a
weakness in the music if the music uses
too much rap there’s too many spoken
words in it and not enough Melody it’s
still I it wouldn’t be what I would
select but because of the unconditional
love I can accept fully what what was
brought and I don’t don’t need to change
it I don’t need to train it’s not
harming anyone so maybe that’s like how
they say Jesus loves you unconditionally
or God or whatever right deity that they
accept there’s there’s you you bring
with you all of your faults and your
personality and your
um your characteristics whether they’re
good or bad and he welcomes all of it
because you are loved
unconditionally but welcomes all of it
he he accepts all of it he allow he he’s
still he’s still one with
you the the atonement at
onement still occurs the gift is still
there even if you’re not the Perfection
that you could
be if you’re not progressed as far as
you need to go and and that’s what we’re
talking about the Bland environment or
the not
desirable if it was just unconditional
and everyone made it and and we’re just
going to be sitting here and then as
soon as
the as soon as death comes then we’re
perfected that that would be Bland and
non-desirable but if we can
struggle if you have a
challenge and sufferings and sacrifices
in life then it’s interesting it’s
something to work
with I I had heard another statement
that I want to introduce here because
you talked about God loving you the the
statement I don’t remember what podcast
it I listen somewhere they
indicated they’re interchangeable so my
the concept of that God or that love is
not a verb love
is um God is not a verb God is so the
statement was that you can interchange
god with love so you can
say uh use any anywhere you would put
put the word God or the idea of God the
concept of God replace it with the word
love yeah this is sounding familiar to
me yeah so there was
something and it was a god a God blessed
relationship you know if you have a God
God bless you um that statement love
bless you it’s the same thing so that’s
I think that’s more of the unconditional
type love bless you or you know if you
if you
want God to stop something or God to
damn something love Dam
you based on love you have to stop doing
what you’re doing kind of that I want to
direct you I love you so here is a dam
that’s going to stop your pro progress
in that area a hedge yeah you’re you’re
making Dam equal damn
like
Godfather it’s a love father it’s a it’s
a father you know that’s not common in
our society anymore I don’t think to
have Godfathers identified in certain
religions it is still very much a thinge
and with that what what’s what’s its
role what’s the role of the love
father the god father I don’t know
enough to really say you know in in um
Catholic baptisms of infants well we
have the movie well yes there’s that
Godfather but I mean I’m talking about
like the religious Godfather right where
everyone will have a Godfather it’s kind
of like a a favorite uncle the the one
that’s supposed to provide assistance
and help it’s the second person to look
if your if your dad’s not listening to
you or it’s gone you go to The Godfather
the godfather has been willing to step
in and help wherever he needs to
wherever he can yeah they’ve got to
accept that role yeah so it’s a role
it’s an actual role that’s that’s done
but it’s a love father someone based on
love is going to love my son my child as
much as I love my child hopefully
unconditionally yeah and that’s I think
what we’re trying to Define that
unconditional love is that love that you
can replace in the place of God it it’s
said in this book a specific way and I I
want to get to this because I found
another another word our ego it talks
about ego ego is based on fear it’s that
um it’s there to protect us it says all
things aren’t going to be good for us so
your ego is is there protect you from
Fear okay the ego part of our minds acts
like a curtain of fear and guilt which
blocks out love so fear and guilt is the
ego saying I want to protect myself and
everything else is possibly dangerous
but the point here they they make next
we can learn to direct our mind to open
the curtains and reveal the light of
love that has always been there and
remains our true reality so this book is
small book that I’m reading love is
letting go of fear is a it’s a small a
compilation or a synopsis of the course
A Course in
Miracles which is huge and was
supposedly given by Revelation and they
they just kept writing and and it was
all internally received pointing out
what love is and so that’s a bigger work
on love and the condition of it or the
uncondition of it but my thought here is
that love is always love has always been
there and Remains the true
reality so love if it’s not a verb it’s
a it’s a being Love
Is Love is a being can that be said a
state of being or a an actual being an
actual being it’s it’s there you can you
can call on it you can use it but you’re
using the same force it the
unconditional love that you’re relying
on is the same force that anyone else
would rely on whether like gravity
gravity is a being perhaps I don’t know
and there there’s different talks about
that as to whether it really is
effective the way we Define it on this
Earth so I want to just suppose that
love is a being it is an is Love’s there
it’s not something we do it’s not
something we can act we can only call on
it to use it um so it says it’s always
been there and you can open the open
your ego to accept more of it and the
more you accept of it the more
unconditional it becomes so you distill
love and I wrote down here the first
thing I thought of is you don’t fall in
love you discover love so you don’t fall
in love with something or fall in love
you discover discover the love that
exists already uncover the love that’s
already there there’s already love
between all of us and that’s part of the
premise of this work and of course in
Miracles is love
exists and I think in general It’s Love
Is God love is this thing that we’re
calling the Supreme Being or the
universe when it talks to us Karma it’s
all love um but we distill love so the
second thought beyond that discovering
love but love is distilled it the
substance is always there at the center
of all things the substance of love is
in everything and it already is
unconditional we just have to uncover
the unconditionality of it or
distill to distill something is to take
away the impurities to take away the
fear that’s why they say letting go of
fear take away the fear take aware
anything that’s not serving or not
accepting and just fully accept
that’s why I think the word forgiveness
comes into that play too forgiveness
kind of means you’ve made a judgment
you’ve identified an evil or a wrong sh
a wrong a weakness but you’re going to
forgive that weakness and you’re going
to Unconditionally Love the action the
person the strengths you just you
forgive you you move it to the side of
the stage and say the important thing is
it’s not the impurities that we’re
distilling out we’re do to distill out all
the
impurities and leave the the Pure Love
in the middle and that is what
forgivenesses is a distilling process I
think yeah and Distilling of liquor have
you ever distilled liquor I have never
distilled liquor never once never
created a still but you know how they
work uh yeah I uh I’ve seen the still on
Mash
yeah and they have coils and and so it
you boil stuff out and then the liquid
turns to vapor and the vapor goes into
the coils and then they then it
condenses on the coils and drips down
the purities of it without any of the
impurities that’s the only way I
understand the Ste works is it removes
removes the impurities that’s how um
like water distilling distilled water
how does that work uh is a good question
I still don’t know does it turn into
first and how is it different from
reverse osmosis I imagine it’s like
you’re pulling up yeah the pure the
pureness of it up and and then it’s like
the condensation that collects on the
top of your pot lid maybe right so all
the minerals are left in the in the
water they’re too heavy to to float in
the vapor so I think that’s what
distilled water means is the minerals
are left in the in the boiling mixture
in the goo
but all the vapor is pure water because
it’s there it’s a distilled water it
doesn’t have minerals or impurities in
it reverse osmosis uses a is it use
carbon or it uses some kind of membrane
that it passes through the membrane it’s
small enough that only water molecules
can pass through but not impure
molecules not mineral molecules so to
distill and and the realization there
the thing I’m wanting to point out that
for is because the Purity is always in
there whatever is pure is already inside
the the initial mixture and so you had
you had unconditional you had pure water
in there anyway in that bottle before
you distilled it but you put it through
the distilling process you have just the
Purity part that you’re going to utilize
for some purpose but you loved the first
bottle just as much there was as much
love in that first bottle with the mud
and the minerals in it it just had the
impurities mixed around it and you were
forgiving those minerals and if you’re
drinking a normal glass of water out of
the tap or out of the
spring uh you’re generally just going to
drink it and you’re going to forgive
those impurities it’s okay if it has
minerals and other whatever in it yeah
your body’s built to handle that so
maybe our bodies are built to handle the
impurities of love the conditional love
we don’t have to well we’re talking
about distilling it you can live in an
unconditional love area yes so
scientifically thinking about
minerals or compounds it’s not a
compound or it’s not a it’s not
something that has to
change it just needs to be separated
separated well it can be identified it
can be separated and I guess it depends
on what you’re using it for you you need
distilled water for certain aspects so
scientifically you need to have a a more
pure
substance but that that pure substance
is already in the bigger mixture right
and so you just have to get it out to be
able to use it we talk about
unconditional love with people well well
and maybe that’s
Perfection you know the the heaven that
people dream of and say you know we’re
going to be perfect and everyone’s going
to be happy and we’re just all going to
be
together
um maybe that’s the distilled person but
right now in this earth in the
challenges we have in the the what this
Mortal existance yeah the mortality of
it we can’t be perfect and an immortal
Soul perhaps is distilled but we’re
mortal there are impurities all over us
and in our thoughts and our actions and
our chemicals flowing in the body they
they do different things but the pure
Immortal is still in there
it it’s already in there and all it
needs to do is to be distilled refined
purified um and that’s what monks try to
do right yeah they try to cut out cut
out the noise the the extra the right
yeah reduce simplify if you try to
immortalize yourself while you’re in the
Mortal realm is that physically possible
I mean monkism isn’t a big thing there’s
not monasteries every everywhere not
everyone’s trying to do it even
meditation isn’t as practiced as it as
it could be I guess yeah meditation
prayer if you count both of those things
about the same spending some time trying
to listen to the internal
purities the spirit so to speak right so
if you try to listen to that you’ll get
information and when information comes
it’s necessary but it’s it’s still part
of this Mortal experience and the
unconditional love how we treat each
other so we’re talking about the a
mother to a to a child how we treat each
other is understanding that that is a an
adult in embryo growing up I want to
direct him a given way so that
direction you’re using unconditional
love to give instruction and
assistance because you can’t love the
wrong direction what we’re suggesting is
that unconditional love is possible it’s
not something that only a
perfect someone can give and you’ve got
to go the next step the next step is
and and it’s not only is it possible
it’s happening all the time right
because the this this distilll concept it’s
already in all of us we have it already
everyone unconditionally loves so that’s
the realization I think it exists it’s
not us it’s it’s something we use all
right we use the example of a mother to
a child but how about strangers to
strangers passing on the street yeah do
you have unconditional love inside of
you for every every being ever in
existence there’s another thing we’re
going to identify the idea that you
can’t love what you don’t see what you
don’t know so that that’s bookmark that
thing and we’ll talk about it next but
people you all of mankind all of
humankind the concept of unconditional
love being in you all the time and it
and you’re distilling it you’re
discovering love as you learn more about
somebody you can uncover that love for
the person you’re meeting but the love
was already there the unconditional love
Yeah unconditional love so that suggests
that you do have love for things you
don’t know right so that idea of you
can’t love I I think you can’t express
love for something you don’t know but if
we if we frame unconditional love as
something that is it’s a being it’s
being is there already and you uncover
it you discover it as you interact with
that
relationship then that love was there in
the first place and it is there
unconditionally with everything I think
it was Napoleon Hill that talks about
transubstantiation or or the the
communication un subconscious
communication between people I wrote
that here in my notes but I didn’t
search it so I you know I have to look
at it and see if that’s actually the
word I think it is the word that he uses
in thinking Grow
Rich um is that all consciences all
Consciousness is connected so you’re
connected with everything and and it’s
that love he’s just describing in a
different way transubstantiation as
unconditional love I think it’s the same
concept the reason a mastermind group
works is where to two or three gathered
there I am with you also the I the god
that says two or three are gathered in
my name there I am with you there love
is with you unconditional love is with
you and it’s going to feed all of you
the same things so it’s two different
ways you know you take it from the
scriptures are from Napoleon Hills
writings or the Course in Miracles
writings about it they’re they’re saying
love exists and the unconditionality of
it is that it’s there whether you want
it there or not you can’t you you’re not
creating it it’s uncreatable oh that’s
right he he used this word about eternal
the truth of something I forget where
that is yeah he says I’ll read another
paragraph here yeah where does love fit
into this scheme of things wouldn’t Our
Lives be more meaningful if we looked to
what has no beginning and no ending is
our reality So This is Love we’re
talking about no beginning no ending if
you use that as our reality only love
fits the definition of the Eternal
everything else is transitory and
therefore meaningless so you don’t have
to think about that a long time anything
that has a beginning or an end that you
created is meaningless it’s not the real
truth so so love being the Alpha and the
Omega that’s kind of identifying that
you can call love God they’re inter
inter-posable so without beginning and without
ending love is love is so I think that’s
the conditionality of it is that it is
we can act in an unconditional manner
towards it but we just have to recognize
that any time that love is present so
saying this thing you can’t love
something you don’t know you can’t
display love to something you don’t know
you can’t say that you love the ocean if
you’ve never seen the
ocean when you see it you can say I love
the idea of the ocean I do love that I
think that I would love it if I had seen
it what is that one about never seeing
the ocean before I never saw more is it
a Dickinson I think it’s an Emily
Dickinson poem too you know that one H
I’m not familiar with it I never saw a
more I never saw the sea but know I how a
Heather looks and what a wave must be I
never spoke with God nor visited in
heaven yet certain am I of the spot as
though a chart were given so it’s it’s
something in in you you can you’ve never
seen the sea but you you know what a
wave would look like and you’ve seen it
on movies I guess everyone’s seen on
movies what have we not seen on movies
though the Dark Side of the Moon we’ve
never seen we’ve seen um perhaps we’ve
seen uh renderings of someone’s
imaginings of what it would look like of
what it was there of the of the UFO
bases on the back side of the moon yeah
probably or when Beetlejuice
goes red giant and
explodes we don’t know that we’d love to
see that
um or a a comet you can SE the Comets
but until you’ve seen
one in the sky it’s different what did
we just see that was different um the
northern lights they weren’t you most of
us I’d never seen them that way until
two weeks ago when they were evident
everywhere and we went out to a special
spot in the dark and we could and it was
just incredible so and you I could say
that there’s more love for that concept
I mean I’ve seen pictures of Northern
Lights and they’re interesting but maybe
going to see a glacier in Alaska or
Alaskan cruise you know until you
actually go on the cruise and you see
the the whales up close you don’t really
know yes or even or even a cruise itself
until you have been on a cruise you
don’t know if you would like to be on it
or not I mean well you don’t know if you
love it or not yeah you don’t know if
you love it but you uncover you discover
what love you have for it you discover
what love you have for astronomy or
discover what love you have for for fish
or for the ocean or what love you don’t
hold for the ocean because you’re
seasick and it’s just horrible for you
or I don’t know things that you do once
and and you’ve had enough uh like skiing
if you just love snow skiing and you
discover that you love that you’re going
to do it every year or if you do it once
and that’s enough I’ve done it I love it
but I don’t need to love it again well
yeah well you if it’s unconditional love
that you have for it it’s there but yeah
I love it but this is I I don’t there’s
that concept I I’ve I’ve I’ve done that
can you say you’ve done that or what
they say is it’s not my cup of tea it’s
not my cup of tea like I I have other
other things that I would prefer over
that so if that’s the case is that a
condition are you saying my my
conditions for love is I’m going to
share my love I’m going to display my
love in these places that I’m more
conditioned to I’m going to use my
unconditional love in these conditioned
ways well and you don’t spend you don’t
have a finite resource of of love right
but you do have a finite time yeah we’re
constrained we have constraints we do
have constraints and those are the
conditions right that’s what creates a
condition then is your constraint that’s
right if if you don’t have conditions
you don’t have to be constrained I mean
if you don’t have if you’re not
constrained if you don’t have
constraints you you don’t have to have
conditions so if there were no laws
there would be nothing illegal if there
were no Commandments there would be
nothing
sinful but we have constraints and so
you have conditions on repentance and On
free operating in society you have
constraints and so as long as you
operate within those constraints STS you
can access the unconditional love that’s
that exists without constraint I I think
that’s what they mean when they talk
about without beginning or Without End
the only thing without beginning Without
End is this unconditional love I would
propose that as the as the minute behind
I still don’t understand it so
unfortunately I can’t
sayree tell me what I just said then
it’s not simple enough tell me the words
that I said all right you said that um
unconditional love has no limit when why
doesn’t it have a limit because it has
no conditions it has no constraints no
constraints constraint is a is something
that limits its use or its usefulness a
constraint limits where it can be and so
unconditional love theoretically would
have no limits of where it can be or who
it can be given to how it can be used
the constraint there is a constraint
it’s
the receiver of it someone can choose
not to receive it okay right how does
yeah because you can’t you can’t give
someone love you can’t give love to
something else you can only express it
it’s a verb it’s an action but it’s only
an action from the giver’s standpoint
the receiver what does the receiver do
they’re not responsible to even receive
it they don’t have to and that’s not a
constraint on the give that’s not a
constraint on love it doesn’t matter if
you don’t love me if I love you that
doesn’t matter that it doesn’t it’s not
reciprocal unrequited I use that word in
some of my thoughts here unrequited love
is that any less of an unconditional
love or a less of a love I I don’t think
it is it’s just not returned what is the
what is the definition of unrequited
unrequited it’s just I believe it’s just
not returned did you look that up or I I
did not look it up let me see if that if
I if I think it means what I think it
means unrequited love
definition when someone has strong
romantic feelings for someone who
doesn’t feel the same way yeah painful
experience can cause a range of emotions
including hopelessness rejection sadness
retirement I mean it can cause things
but it doesn’t have to you can say well
I I love love
you and it’s unconditional whether you
love me or not I mean you can’t do
anything with it you can’t move it
Beyond there so you can say we we did I
did that so that’s one of those things
it’s not not not my cup of tea it’s not
my cup of tea because that cup of tea
doesn’t want me to drink it
so either either I have decided that my
constraint is there or I’ve been
constrained in demonstrating drinking
that tea going that direction by some
other
circumstance and it could be illness or
disease or
catastrophe could be the circumstance
that that constrains the ability to
exercise that unconditional
love like um I’m trying to think of an
actor Michael J
fox Parkinson’s just limited the the
last half of his career being able to
demonstrate his love in his chosen
profession he still had it he just
couldn’t display it yeah Discover it and
probably he is still as fully as in
excited and energetic in it because he
does take roles that he can fit he’s
taking roles he can fit and his name is
still ubiquitous everyone still knows
who Michael J fox
is or someone like Ronald
Reagan when when he left the presidency
he left public life and he had been in
public life for 60 years for his whole
life but he left and and passed away
with Alzheimer’s quietly without anyone
around him well his wife but family
whoever was helping him
nurses that didn’t limit his love for
the country or for truth or for
democracy or for whatever the fact that
he was
constrained to live in his household on
the
ranch and just the same that he’s that
his body is buried in a in a
tomb it doesn’t change the effect he had
on everyone else either the love that
still radiates from his Persona right
right it doesn’t change the impact that
he had or the right doesn’t change the
love
impact is not love but it is what is it
the the impact is is what love has been
received by the people that he was
giving it to well so
it can is impact also without beginning
or end that’s I’m trying to par see if
there’s anything else except love that
fits that this this book this course
says love is the only thing that is
eternal that has no beginning and no
ending does impact have no beginning and
no ending the way you tried to describe
it um yeah well the way I tried to
describe it uh suggests that it has an a
beginning it it begins when when is when
it is accepted when received okay cuz
perhaps someone can try as hard as they
can to be an impactful force
on some situation or
something some person and yet maybe that
person will have none of it and so it
doesn’t well and love could do the same
thing it doesn’t affect them so the
impact the impact may be the description
of the receiver that’s that’s got to be
a receiving term yeah I believe I
believe that is what I was trying to say
it’s not an unconditional term it’s not
yeah you couldn’t uncondition impact you
can’t have an unconditioned impact it’s
necessary pretty physical and therefore
meaningless from from the other
statement right yeah so anything that
that cannot be UNC what else could be
unconditional we talked about generally
accepted accounting principles generally
accept General acceptance yeah does
generally accepted still doesn’t mean
universally accepted it doesn’t mean
absolute truth right right because the
accounting principles change all the
time there’s all these letters of
accounting
stuff from the IRS and everything else
there’s letters changing it and they
change the principles periodically so
there’s a group that can change those
principles um so generally accepted
isn’t a an
unconditional and from what the physics
are talking about in the James web
telescope that went out there and is now
proving the big Bang couldn’t happen
there are things older than the big bang
out there so with that idea even our
physics the laws of physics the
universal we don’t have a a con
connection to that that’s not
unconditional either it’s not an
unconditional Universe we learn more we
change things
so is there anything else that didn’t
have a beginning or didn’t have an end
and I think the way you talk spiritually
anyone in a religious realm is going to
say God is the only Supreme Being that
is from God is love Yeah and and God is
love so love is God
and they are
interchangeable anyone who is speaking
and and this guy Gerald jampolsky who
wrote Love is letting letting go of fear
he’s writing strictly from a
psychological standpoint um and Jordan
Peterson right now the the preeminent
psychologist in the world he’s still he
talks about God but he doesn’t talk
about God in a religious worship Him
spiritual standpoint point he’s talking
about psychologically and he’s taking
this stance the psychological there’s
there’s no reason not to believe that I
don’t know that he’s ever connected love
I don’t know he’s ever talked about love
I haven’t heard him anyway yeah well you
he may have and and and we just haven’t
we haven’t found it yet yeah it’s not
part of his
conversation so I know in one of our
conversations years ago I said if I have
a chance to talk to Jordan I’m going to
ask him that question and I forgot
completely what that question is but now
we recorded
this Perhaps Perhaps Jordan Peterson
will be able to answer is his view of
God really his view of love and
unconditional love and whether you put
the name God on it he says that’s why he
hates that question do you believe in
god what what do you mean by that
question it’s too it’s too obtuse you
can’t identify that but do you believe
in unconditional love or is that what
you’re talking about
and you’re talking about God and
spiritual aspects of life and
archetypical stories is it unconditional
love that flows through all of them and
perhaps it is so again that’s my uh my
minute
idea what what else what else is there
that you have questions in that I think
what I need is to let all of this
marinate a little bit and and then we
can and then we can visit again because
it’s not answered I know it’s not
answered for me you don’t feel an answer
in it right I’m feeling a conclusion my
so my my proposition for a conclusion
for a Simplicity beyond the complexity
of love is unconditional love exists
it’s not created or creatable it is
accessible and discoverable and as you
discover it you can display it but it
always exists
amongst everything yes yes and uh I
think where I’m getting hung up on is
how do you prove that how is it provable
is it provable okay um so I’m going to
I’m going to see what I can discover in
my own thoughts on that right identify
that if it can be proved scientifically
or yeah however because it’s still it’s
still a theoretical statement still I
say it’s this because it just is this
but you can’t yeah you can’t rely on
something that just is you have to show
examples um provable examples things
that make sense you’ve got to fit if it
if it is if it just is then it’s true
for every single circumstance that you
can throw at it you can’t you can’t
break it yeah with with an example so we
need to figure out how we can make it
unbreakable D we have to figure out not
how we can make it that way but whether
it is whether we can break it we have to
try to break it try to find an example
of where it has broken in the past or
where it could possibly be broken even
in in uh science fiction where where
it’s possible in language and feeling
and thought to break that is it
imaginable to be to be broken yeah
because if it’s actually unconditional
it has to be unconditional in
imagination as well yes yes yeah okay so
so you work on that yeah that’s that’s a
good way to stop that topic you work on
that to conclude we’ll we’ll work
through that and pick this up again in
another another discussion we’ll
absolutely talk about this again yes
yeah okay that’s fair
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