In which we devise a test for spiritual assistance. As a reminder, NDM is a believing and practicing member of the LDS faith, and LS has found her way out of that faith and into a general agnostic atheism.
Recorded August 7, 2024.
Show notes and links:
Signs: The Secret Language of the Universe
Canopy Theory
“Manifest” Romans 8:28
“The Secret” law of attraction
“The Strangest Secret” Earl Nightingale
Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence
Stephen the Irishman, Braveheart (1995)
Jordan B Peterson, Self Consciousness and Misery
Kurzgesagt “The Egg”
Interstellar (2014)
Contact (1997)
Cesium atoms vibrate over 9 billion times per second
Sonic Boom Speed is 750mph at sea level
Alma and the seed
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these people are always trying to reach
out like all the time they always want
to they’re not just sitting around not
interested in your life and so if you
want your grandpa to reach out to you in
a specific way and it would have to be
rare enough that uh you you know you’re
not going to see it just every day
probably be weird if you saw it even
occasionally what would it
be hello you have a minute hi uh yeah
yeah I
do all right
so so we were talking about questions
but that’s not what talk about no
questions G so I was wondering
okay so I’m listening to this book
called
signs signals from the universe or
something like that anyway
signs it’s it’s written by a psychic
medium and talking about like connecting
looking for signs from your like loved
ones that have passed on or from your
Spirit guides who are what she says not
your loved ones because these are people
who have contracted with you in the
spirit realm to be your guide while
you’re on Earth and so they aren’t your
loved ones so you don’t know them does
that kind of mean you don’t know who
they are you you know your spirit knows
who they are but you don’t know who they
are because your mortal self doesn’t
know who they are so someone perhaps
that was selected before you were born
by you or by someone else yes well no
that’s the whole idea was they were you
and them entered into a contract with
each other they’re like I’m going to be
your spirit guide while you’re on Earth
I’m going to give you signs or help you
you know one sign that she said is very
common is the rainbow and then it’s
extra special if there’s a double
rainbow but I was thinking like if you
can receive a sign from the other side
and it can be a rainbow then what does
that mean when they when the IDE the
idea that God sends the rainbow to tell
us that there’s not going to be a flood
anymore more after Noah’s Ark and so
like can it be God’s sign that there’s
not going to be a flood and a sign to
you personally from your loved ones on
the other side the problem is with that
is that Rainbows are scientific and an
angel can’t just put a rainbow in a
sunny sky with no moisture that that’s
never going to happen well yeah I mean
that’s the scientific way it is so it’s
scientific and and so that’s why Noah
flood rainbow has to be scientific as
well I heard talking about it recently
it was Jordan Peterson mentioned it the
all of the moisture around the earth
must have been located really close
because everything was watered
immediately and so there was fog but
there was not clouds there were not
there was not Vapor up in the
stratosphere so as soon as as soon as
the flood came and they turned it all
the water and then and then it got
moisture in the stratosphere and created
clouds
so my supposition and I think the
supposition he was saying is clouds
didn’t exist until the rainbow ex till
the flood was till they gathered the
flood rers in one place then let it
evaporate into the into the straty like
no clouds at all before Noah’s flood
there were no clouds yeah Before the
Flood like no rain there there couldn’t
have been in order for in no rain right
because it was fog on the ground it just
automatically watered everything so the
the the moisture stayed close to the
ground h and maybe that’s why they lived
longer too because they were living in a
cloud of water that kept them
moisturized
completely I who knows that that that
wasn’t disgusted but in order for it for
the sun to be out there and a rainbow
not to appear there had to be no
moisture in the stratosphere yeah so no
rainbows and no clouds before Noah’s
flood and then after the flood when it
evaporated it the water went up and
since it went up then it started raining
and it well it rained for 40 days and
409 maybe that rain just came from the
huh yeah that’s odd how they put that
too yeah perhaps the ground fogs did
rain you know you you had rain but it
just didn’t stop it was very low it was
all always your feet were always wet
yeah and your head was always
dry yeah is that ring true with anything
in the in the
scriptures I don’t know people couldn’t
see their feet now I I don’t know
anything like that okay so then then it
doesn’t make sense to you that a sign
from the other side would be a rainbow a
rainbow can’t be a sign oh okay what
because rainbow is scientific it’s too
scientific what could be a sign
serendipitous events you can people can
say things you can have confirmations
uhuh with other people saying things
that are a sign you know now I saw three
black
cats or something those could be signs
random events could be signs but a
rainbow is definitely not random yeah a
Thunderclap is you know lightning
lightning can happen from a clear sky
it’s just an electrical impulse so that
you don’t necessarily have to have
clouds to have lightning yeah she says
in the book that the spirits the spirits
on the other side can manipulate
electricity and light and energy maybe
something else that I’m think not
thinking of but electricity a lot a
thunder clap a random Thunder clap would
be an electrical anomaly if they could
throw it an an electric ball a lightning
ball I that probably happens sometimes
usually they’re it’s connecting forces
the negative and positive from the Earth
to something there you go so I’m suspect
of her using rainbows in her description
yeah I’m not suspect of the idea the
concept makes sense there’s Spiritual
Beings we know that there is a spiritual
part of the world it’s just I don’t
think they stretch the rainbows the
Double Rainbows there are no leprechauns
okay well onto our real topic what else
do you want to talk about the
conversation of the of the spirit way
the Ethereal world or potential people
helping us why don’t why we could talk
about that
okay is it is it not feasible you know
she’s promoting it’s feasible but says
there are signs yeah did you read the
whole book or no I’m I’m all the way
through it I am all the way through it I
listen to I listen to it I listen to the
audio book okay and what’s it called
again signs the secret language of the
universe by Laura Lynn Jackson secret
though is it secret so she discovered it
that means it was discovered she
discovered it for herself and she’s the
the reason for her writing the book is
to tell people that they can also have
this connection or they can they can see
the signs the signals that they’re the
the spirit side is sending them that
they can confirm also that this secret
is true the the other book The Secret
it’s the same secret what’s the thing
it’s called The Law of Attraction I mean
she’s saying that you can you can tell
that secret language of the universe is
really the secret thing things are
combining for your to your help to your
good yeah and never to your bad for some
reason that’s another thing I’ve
wondered is never to your bad yeah why
are all of the signs Pro me and pro you
and never good yeah Pro good and not not
people never trying to tear down people
because trees are really the thing that
are supposed to be living on this planet
not people right get rid of all the
people what was that manifest the the
show they did so Romans 8:28 all things
work together for good to them who
believe something like that and all
things work together for bad to them who
don’t believe I don’t even know that
that’s the coraly I yeah that that would
make sense wouldn’t that yeah I mean
without evil there is no good so there
must be that other side all who don’t
believe so if you don’t believe in the
sun the Sun is going to curse you you’ll
get sunburned instead of just enjoying
the warmth all things work together for
good so and that’s just the way it was
phrased there the secret though says the
Law of Attraction well you can attract
it the law of attraction you can attract
evil to you as well you can cycle
downward so the point of that story and
that philosophy is to think good
thoughts because you are what you think
about that’s the greatest secret from
Ral night Andale is you are what you
think about so it’s the it’s the
greatest secret that’s what he said he
say keep your thoughts in a manner that
you’re going that you’re going to want
to be that person don’t continually
think that I’m sick I feel bad I’m
horrible horrible this I can’t do this
technology is my game if you’re always
in that line you are you represent that
you’re going to be sick you’re going to
be not Adept at anything because you
don’t think you are but if you think you
are you can become okay so did you write
a book I think it’s called The Greatest
Secret let me get it cassette tapes it
was in that Arena was it an Amway thing
before Amway it was before Amway from
1950s to 56 50 to 56 he ran the program
he died in ‘ 89 born in 21 but there’s
still plenty of YouTube videos on this
idea audio books and practice a nighto
conent corporation yes n Gil con it and
that’s still I guess it’s still there
huh so lead the field The Strangest
Secret secret Advantage there’s quite a
few The Stranger secret maybe that’s
what it is instead of the what did I say
it was just a minute ago I don’t
remember yeah whatever it was it’s
recorded there but it’s actually The
Greatest Secret maybe is what I said but
it’s The Strangest Secret
he said the answer to that I mean
because I listened to this thing when I
was 15 or 18 or something that you can
buy it for $39.95 on CD or digital
download so it’s still selling that The
Strangest Secret and the key is you are
you what you think about some of those
other things are think for an hour a day
it’ll change your life if you think for
an hour a day that’s kind of like
meditation purposeful thinking just
purposeful do something and maybe that
has to do with all these other secrets
too The Law of Attraction think what you
want to attract it’s going to bring it
to you um think about the signs if you
spend some time focusing focus on
anything you want that’s a lineal
statement anything you want you can
attract it to you so it’s the greatest
secret Greatest Secret is what I used
before The Strangest Secret and then it
was rolled to the secret from whoever
wrote that so I don’t I don’t know that
an gel ever wrote a book but he has all
the video all the audios out there it’s
the audio Works girl kill okay The
Strangest Secret by is a book by male
yeah so they did put it in book form so
all of this the universe The Secret
Language of the universe so Orin Jackson
feels that she figured out how to break
the code of understanding how the
universe is helping you benefiting you
yeah I wouldn’t say that she feels like
she figured it out it’s she feels like
this is a universal truth and she’s just
sharing her perspective on how we can
all access it
what’s another another thing besides
rainbows because I can’t rely on
rainbows yeah so the idea is that you
decide what would qualify as a sign and
then you just tell tell the universe to
use that tell the universe yeah or your
specific loved one pencil it’s not it’s
not move this or do that it’s like show
me pink elephants and then I will know
that that’s you and not just whatever
you know and then so she gibes stories
about someone who who requested pink
elephants and they saw it like three
times in the in one day like completely
random occurrences and it they were in a
place that doesn’t make sense that there
would be pink elephants but like there
they are images of it or logos or
something like that pink elephants are
are used in Indian art they had been
used I mean you can see them
periodically but you not not normally if
you’re in India yeah or if you’re in a
in a mall or you’re walking on the
street yeah so there’s like specific
birds that some people a lot of the book
is accounts of people’s experiences
testimonies I guess you could say now
were they are they testing it or the
stories about how someone tested this
and it proved to be true I think so I
think a lot of them are like this is the
this is the test this is how this is
what I decided the sign should be and
this is the result like I okay started
seeing them this is really this is
really scary then this is the thing I’ve
been worried about in the last 100 years
20 years maybe L 20 like the last 150
years of my life I’ve been concerned
about this wait let me see if I remember
I remember you saying that the thing you
were scared of is that there’s someone
watching you right that they’re watching
you so if you can identify pink
elephants is what I want to do and even
if you don’t say it if you’re if you’re
thinking it then they can see thoughts
if you say it out loud I talk about
prayer you have to say that out loud I I
don’t know why yeah so this you don’t
even have to say out loud because so you
don’t to say out loud and they’re
watching you if you’re connected to you
you’ve got these spiritual what not
spiritual what do she call them yeah
your loved ones and your Spirit guides
Spirit guides so your spirit guide is
watching every move you make and and
trying to give you a sign so that is
that is scary I mean there is no privacy
there is PR Zer privacy yes in in this
world because there’s all kinds of
angels there to help you well and
apparently not to hinder you I feel like
or kill you mainstream Christians also
believe that there’s no privacy because
Jesus is always watching you know that
sticker where they have Jesus like peing
around the corner says I saw that that’s
that’s a representation of a literal
belief of course Jesus sees everything
like he’s probably looking away when you
go to the bathroom but he’s there he’s
watching you why would you look away you
don’t look away when your dog goes to
the bathroom no you’re watching it to
make sure he doesn’t step in it when you
can pick it up right you’ve gotta you’ve
got to make sure that they don’t step in
it while they’re walking around it’s not
an issue for a dog why is it an issue
for people I me we’re just the gods but
we can go on so many tangents why is it
why would it be an issue for humans
that’s a good question is like
why want privacy from an omn omniscient
being wait so Define omnipotent and
omniscience and omnipresence for
me that’s another tangent we can throw
it in here we have time some person who
some person or being spiritual spiritual
assistant who knows everything is amian
okay so Aman is to know of the present
is it he is everywhere around a corner
and hide from it you can’t crawl into a
spider hole of the ground and be unseen
so
omnipresent he’s in that spider hole of
the ground behind the trees he’s always
there he’s he’s with us yeah and then
omnition ofn presence omnipotent
omnipotent omnipotent he’s all powerful
that’s what that is oh that he can
strike you down with the lightning bolt
in a second or he can move you out of
the way of a car or a train he can break
the laws of the universe well he can use
physics in ways we don’t understand okay
have to just say it that way it’s it’s
magic that a note because it stated a
God the universe can’t break its own
rules but we don’t know those rules
right so we can’t we’re we’re trying to
Define them we’re trying to find them
out just like Laura Jackson is trying to
identify here’s some keys that she’s
seen and here’s some tests that have
been done so she wrote the book about it
we we should pay attention to these
things yeah so my fear if they are
watching all the time and you give a
silly recommendation I want to see the
Pink Panther a pink panther or you know
a pink auen
just show that to me three times and I’m
know you’re there yeah and so you just
go through your day but there had to be
some purpose why would you ask for
something like that why would you need
Heaven’s help well people usually go to
a medium because they’re
distressed they don’t pay that money I
looked it up yesterday and there’s a
medium here in in uh northern Utah that
I could employ for a minute for actually
90 minutes but at 7 $0000 $700 for 90
minutes yeah and so if I was desperate
enough if I was having a bad enough time
then maybe that would I would pay that
so the people that that go to the medium
for help and are looking for signs
they’re there it’s a request for comfort
and then once they know that they can
receive signs and they’re seeing them
and they feel comforted then they have
that gate open and they’re receiving
signs regularly now now and they can say
okay I have a decision coming up show me
a sign if what I’m feeling like I want
to do is the right thing to do or you
know it’s kind of like a prayer
connection except with your loved ones
instead of with your God yeah kind of
like we got that from Braveheart the
Scottish guy they were in Scotland the
Irish guy would was always talking to
his Gods to his people he says well yeah
God tells me I’m G to be fine but you’re
not he says some other flowery way I
think I don’t know that you know before
you go to war you ask the gods which way
are your Spirit guides you know which
way of am I supposed to fight this how
do I how do I do this so we succeed are
we going to succeed or we going to fail
first and in order to succeed how do we
proceed so with that war if you have a
question you’re going to question where
you’re what you’re going to do what help
you can receive in order to get it done
and we all have those questions if
you’re running a business or yeah
running a business you need to know what
Aven is to walk down which which
Marketing System to sign up for or which
uh little signs to put out front or
which ad to write on your internet ad
what what language to use in it right
you know which AR audience should I
really be heading After All Those
Questions they’re not omnicient if you
were omnicient you would do exactly the
right thing and get exactly the success
that you want and so if you have an
omniscient Source you can request and
say they tell me everything I need to
know about taking my next steps in
business so that we get to the $2
million Mark that we’re targeting
quickly I want to do it in three months
so in three months make sure I on the
right path for that yeah a lot of people
that consider themselves very spiritual
I suppose would feel like they have a
connection to the other side strong
enough that they could receive
instruction for their life just like
that and that they do receive it that
they and that they do receive it yeah so
their testimony is like in this book
that I I searched here’s the signs they
could identify their testimony of the
signs they received too and it wasn’t
necessarily three cats that crossed my
path on a day and that told me what to
do it was the thought came to my mind
and this is generally how it happens
this how the apostles now are describing
it Elder Bednar specifically saying you
know it doesn’t matter whether it came
to you in a flush and Elder Holland also
talking about that if it’s good and if
it benefits you or benefits humankind if
it’s a positive good positive thing and
it works and you thought it who cares if
it’s you that thought it or the spirit
that gave it to you don’t worry about it
yeah we’re worrying about where the
where the voice came from or how it
sounded I’ve got a friend here in town
that well he passed away
but um yeah he always he always said you
know it’s in my own voice I I hear the
Savior talking to me and it comes in my
own voice but after a while it changed
to his voice and I could tell it was his
voice and so he could he could even in
his testimony strictly identify when
Jesus Christ was talking to him and IMA
because it wasn’t his voice anymore it
was Jesus Christ voice right and it gave
him words and things to think about but
you know it’s just like your words you
know your questions on the presence and
on the the Omni words yeah did was that
impressed to you by your spiritual guide
to think about those things or is it
just a thought that came to your mind
I’d like to really identify what those
three are doesn’t matter your spirit
guide did help you yeah I mean I don’t
imagine that I could know for sure
whether it came out of my mind or
whether it was given to me from uh
Supernatural right a spiritual guide or
inspiration or Intuition or Revelation
all those things are just you’re you’re
fighting them it’s a new thought like
the The Strangest Secret The Greatest
Secret I think that rather great secret
but it’s The Strangest Secret the way he
put it out just remembering
that it changes it changes the way you
think about the rest of your life yeah
and perhaps Earl Nightingale got that
from his is spirit guide is why it made
so much sense and why it’s become a
classic so that’s a question are classic
works all well Jordan Pon talks about
the arc typical stories they’re they’re
Classics because they’re Arc typical
because they they’re everywhere and
they’re telling the same story that the
universe is trying to teach all of us in
different ways the universe being the
omnipresent omniscient God that’s
pushing us guiding us leading Us in
different paths to the same end yeah so
how comfortable are you with the
universe knowing everything and seeing
everything because we started out with
you being afraid that there is no
privacy but now it sounds like you’re
speaking very reverently about this
whole idea and you’re okay with it again
okay why would anyone need privacy
you’re okay with it if you’re on God’s
side I guess or if God’s on your side
doesn’t matter you know the omnicient
one is is to your
benefit if the omnicient one is to your
hurt and damages you and you can’t do
what you want to do you’re living a life
of misery that’s the satanic idea so
Satan was cast out and he’s he’s
miserable and he wants everyone to be
miserable like unto himself which is how
do you live that way no one wants to be
in misery yeah you’re only in misery if
you are doing evil if you are doing the
wrong thing I wanted to discuss that at
some point but misery that would be the
only reason so let let me see if I can
introduce it the right way here the only
reason that you would would want privacy
from the general is if you’re privacy
from the omniscient from the universe is
if you’re doing something that is
contrary to what you believe or
understand is the right way of the
universe if you’re operating contrary
then you’re you’re turning into yourself
you’re you’re saying I want to do this
thing for me so that’s the the pleasure
seeking perhaps saying this is just for
me I don’t want it to share it with
anyone I don’t want anyone else to see
it don’t anyone else to know that uh I
can fly I’m just going to fly for me or
whatever the thing is so if if you just
do that then that’s a miserable
condition and this is I got this from
Jordan Peterson you talked about that
one one point um self-consciousness is
misery so if you’re turning everything
that that you’re doing into yourself
just being yourself that’s a miserable
position that’s the only miserable
position there is thinking you’re alone
trying to be an island so misery doesn’t
come because you want to be an island it
becomes because you are an island well
not because you I think it’s backwards
think you just said that backwards oh
okay it’s not because you are an island
you wen’t made miserable by someone
you’re an island so you’re a miserable
person now you make yourself miserable
by wanting to become an Island by
wanting to
disassociate wanting to be a heret and
just all
self-conscious about everything
self-conscious wanting privacy wanting
to hide wanting no one to see you and so
then you’re miserable because of that
desire that’s what creates misery I I
believe I’m thinkinking right I’m
thinking that misery is
self-inflicted because no
omnicient the way she wrote the book
even in science the language of the
universe she’s not saying that the
Universe wants you to be hurting or
miserable or
upset the the universe and your Spirit
guides want you to do things right do it
the right way and find success and
happiness and joy they want to feed you
Joy they don’t want to feed you misery
no description of the universe says the
universe wants want to beat you down and
kill you Loki is just one of the persons
in the God he’s the one that wants to
kill people but it’s because he wants
all the power he’s self-centered and you
got who’s the other guy that is not
self-centered Thor with a with the
hammer right he’s he’s wanting to work
with everybody and take care of
everybody and so that’s the miserable if
you’re watching the universe and caring
for the universe and watching for it to
help you you’ll realize it always helps
you and I think that maybe the point of
that science book is that you’ll notice
no matter what it is that you ask for
it’s always going to be advancing you
positively it will never drop you
negatively and and we’re talking about
the universe in a of course in a
omniscient kind of way because like some
maybe scientists would say
that the universe is a hostile
environment and you really have to fight
to survive and it’s kind of shocking
that we’ve lasted as long as we have
considering all of the things that are
against us physically right how how
fragile we actually are yeah as a planet
if we were I don’t know he probably said
if we were five degrees further away
from the sun we probably wouldn’t work
it wouldn’t yeah five miles further away
maybe you know not not even very far
yeah small distance whatever the
distance actually would have to be it is
kind of small considering the scale the
whole the whole measurement yeah so the
universe the the physical universe that
we see out there and we send tcop to
watch and record and listen to all of
that it it’s dangerous I mean it Planet
X or the comet the comet that’s heading
towards us the next 600 years sometime
or be juice when it explodes in the next
600 years yeah or
exploded anything out there could wipe
this planet out too many gamma rays from
Beetle Juice will wi the planet out and
we don’t no longer can live here right
so there’s something that’s holding this
together on its feather edge or pinpoint
or very precarious a very precarious
stance that we’re in but we’re all in it
and the universe is in it you know you
look at a a red giant that explodes or
goes what do they call that when a star
explodes Supernova yeah probably when
something goes Supernova it takes out
everything within the 100 light years of
itself I mean the those clouds that are
out there the the supernovas that they
have what was the last one was like a
thousand a thousand so thousand years
ago one one exploded they could identify
yeah it’s taken everything out in its
neighborhood the whole its whole block
it’s done and our star is dying we know
that our our sun the sun and it will it
will die someday and everything will be
gone in this solar system it’s going to
Red Giant itself and it’s going to take
out everything up to Jupiter the whole
solar system will disappear will be
enveloped in the cloud that’s created by
the explosion of son yeah but the theory
is that Humanity will have killed itself
off before that even happens
so we don’t even have to worry about
that because you’re thinking billions of
years you know and light years away
billions of light years there will be
other species as the dominant
intelligent species on the earth
hypothetically because I mean I know
that I mean okay so here’s another weird
question for you can and the
intelligences that inhabit our human
bodies can they inag in can they
inhabit other types of
bodies like if Humanity dies and another
species is the dominant species of the
planet could that have spiritual
intelligences in it that species and
that’s I mean how literal is this image
of God idea like God is a human form and
so that’s just how we all are yeah I
think that’s an omniscience question if
if it knows so what’s the theory that
says we Evol to Evolution theory of
evolution and that we’re going to evolve
and when we die out something else like
we took over from the dinosaurs and
there’s going to be the mice we’re going
to do the next thing and they’ll become
conscious and whoever whatever it moves
to whatever be being it is you have that
theory that that we’re rolling in the
last hundreds billions of years and this
is just continuing cycle that is a cycle
it’s not the cycle it’s a the image of
God statement is that it was started at
a time and it was started has a purpose
when it ends it will end in well the
12th Article of Faith and in paradisical
glory for the Earth and the Earth is
going to be a sea of glass and the
Celestial Kingdom so if that’s true then
this Earth just graduates to that and it
and the sun doesn’t blow up where the
Earth gets transformed somewhere else
transported to Cab in the center of the
milway Galaxy so many other things that
are that are happen we see the regular
rotation of the of the planet in the
galaxy right now and that’s all we see
and we see clouds in the skies but we
don’t see the time when clouds weren’t
in the skies because there were no
rainbows when Rainbows were a shot to
people they’re not a shot to us cuz I
see them all the time we know how they
how the prism concept works and how it
creates itself how that’s made it’s
obvious how that’s made prisms exist
maybe light doesn’t always have to break
up through prisms like that though maybe
light can do other things that we don’t
know yet that’s just the expansion to
omnicient so we can’t judge we can’t
judge what’s going to happen and the
question was can can the intelligences
let’s say there are intelligences that
are out there billions and billions
milons of them that need a body to live
in the Hindu religion solved that by
saying it’s it’s just reincarnation
there’s probably only a hundred of them
where that video the egg yeah is still
an interesting very interesting concept
it’s just one there’s just one
intelligence out there and it’s floating
around in all these people instead of
billions of intelligences just one
there’s billions of matter gown there
that you’re you are the one in all and
convers that I is me talking to me
because it’s the only one there this
whole universe is for the one concept
the one God that is you so it’s just as
feasible that’s just as feasible as
saying there are billions of inos that
have to come down and inhabit these
beings and have a chance in a
probationary world so the question that
I thought you were going to go to that
that I would still think is true is
trees have a spirit too and grass and
ants and there’s an intelligence and
those ants that came from somewhere
they’re not just machines I can make a
machine but we can’t make grass we can’t
make an ant on this Earth we we can’t
create those things that are
automatically here AMA we can see it and
some might know it’s a helix but we
don’t know really how to how to create
it or how it works is there a a tree God
and an ant God and that would be an
interesting
idea well yeah I mean because so that
say in their realm in their sphere see
so by the words they use in the Bible
everything operates in its own sphere in
It’s Working animals and plants plants
are in their own sphere they’re in their
own world and maybe the plants do have a
a language that’s secret that only they
know that they’re talking to each other
while we’re just these beings floating
around them they’re the ones that turn
the true world they’re this is their
world not ours yeah and if these people
would stop blowing us up we could
actually do stuff they about clearing
this land look we’re going to grow up
anyway we’ll break up their
cement if they do a churn elow on the
place and ruin it within 50 years we’ll
grow back and we’ll take it over which
is what they’ve done yeah I read
someone’s um opinion that if they
stopped pruning the blackberry bushes in
Seattle in 5 years you wouldn’t be able
to find Seattle for the blackberry
bushes probably yeah I was just up there
a couple weekends ago and there were a
lot of blackberry bushes around like
it’s it’s something like not in the city
but you know out yeah since it’s always
moist you got the ocean breeze and
you’re you’re you’re always moist
everything’s going to grow and you got
to stop the things from growing that are
going to take over just like these these
Goji plants out in my backyard if that’s
what they are stickery bushes they
they’ve grown I mean they’ve probably
gotten five times larger area right now
than they had when we when I fought huh
by your six shoot so they’ll they’ll
double every year perhaps so I got to
take my shovel and dig out the roots so
they don’t grow anymore I don’t want
them to expand yeah they’re going to
whether you want it or not their plant
God is telling them this is what you’re
meant to do and you got to take over
that land their success and then it’s
being beat by us so is is there with
that concept is there’s someone that’s
trying to kill us that’s human beings
humankind someone that doesn’t want us
to expand too far and will pair us back
by putting a disease out there besides
ourselves and they keep throwing the
this this thing that’s trying to
eradicate us because we’re Vermin and
pests in their Universe they keep
throwing uh what are the what are
asteroids and comets yeah towards us and
keep barely missing
us one of these days they’re going to
make a hit and be like finally and they
they a while ago and made the dinosaurs
drop out they said now we’ve got that
figured out we got that taken care that
place won’t bother us
anymore and the rabbits
survived yeah well and and we’re
experiencing time at at our own pace but
it really could be a lot different for
other outside extraterrestrial beings I
guess extraterrestrial just just means
outside of this Earth outside of this
Earth out there time is different I they
even proven that I mean at the top of
the Eiffel Tower time is different than
at down level yeah well because that’s
spinning at a bit slower Pace than down
here right yeah it’s spinning but it’s I
mean calculating time grading time
universally I don’t know I haven’t
really looked into it there’s different
maps of how time really works in space
because it’s it’s not the saying we can
see light years potentially see light
years it’s slower than us right is that
what the idea is that time slows down
out there I mean I remember a bill NY
the Science Guy episode where he said
you send you send one guy on a spaceship
around the earth and when he comes back
his brother on the Earth has aged but he
hasn’t because time is you know that’s
it’s different it’s a different thing
out there the further away from time on
earth like it’s it’s not different for
them the person that went around we
don’t have that you know the space
station people go space station they
come back roughly the same they’re
they’re there’s nothing wrong with that
it’s not enough but if we start if we
start sending people to Mars and they
they’re there for seven years and they
come back maybe they’re not seven years
older yeah oh Interstellar that’s the
other thing is uh they go and and
they’re on this planet that nearly kills
them all and then they come back and the
guy on the space station has has aged
like 14 years or something and it was
only an hour to them down on that planet
or like the idea of of contact you want
to take a ride and she was there fell
from that that thing she was in yeah
Jody Foster right fell from from 30 feet
in the air to the ground and that was
the only time on Earth but she had 18
hours worth of video that she lived
through in that 30 second drop yeah so
like we understand the concept of time
being different depending on where you
are relative to another person like time
for me at a different elevation on the
earth is just slightly different than
time for someone at sea level maybe just
just the very slightest you know or okay
time on the time for someone on Pluto
would be different relative to someone
that would be on the sun you know that’s
you have to find the center the center
point of what is time different for see
the atomic the atomic clock atomic time
is how many pulses that the atom has if
that’s an atom on Earth an atom on Pluto
would maybe operate differently probably
operate differently yeah well and maybe
it doesn’t maybe it doesn’t operate
differently it’s just appears to operate
differently because of its location and
you have to have something to relate it
to to see the difference because if
you’re relating it to itself then there
is no difference like time for for me
will always pass however it does for me
but maybe that’s what the atomic time is
is that’s the the thing that you can see
you can say this is this is the true
passage of time a true second 20,000
flashes of an atom is one second I don’t
know how many there are something like
that and then and then you can compare
to that and see how time passes
differently for everything compared to
that atomic time a perspective so it
depends on where you’re sitting it
depends on where you’re sitting and to
to identify this back to what we’re
talking about Spirit guides from the
spiritual realm what do they think
they’re doing it let’s say we made that
agreement with someone before we came to
Earth and now we’re on Earth and we can
connect with our spirit guide who is
built to help us succeed as best we can
through this through this Earth what’s
their is their only job to help one
person or maybe they made an agreement
with 10 people people I mean as a
guardian angel is that all they do would
that be boring wouldn’t that be
boring one person I’m gonna follow this
one guy follow this one guy and I’m I’m
I’m trying to help him but he’s never
asking the questions I’m I’m willing to
give him Pink Elephants or Pink Panthers
or whatever he wants but he’s never
asking so if he never asks I just have
to sit here on on call but never get to
work yeah so if we’re um talking about
time passing though if we’re the the
point of time to compare with they and
then potentially they have a physical
form further away from us their time is
passing very slowly compared to us or
our time is passing very quickly
compared to them so maybe they’re only
our spirit guide for you know that blip
of time on their timeline because it
just happens so quickly or maybe it’s
only a week or what are they saying in
the scriptures like a thousand years is
one day what is it yeah one day to A
Thousand Years or I you hear the CLI the
quip you know if you die it’s just a
couple minutes you’ll see all your loved
ones again though it’ll be 30 years for
them yeah you know just we’ll see in a
couple minutes so maybe it’s not a very
boring thing to be a spirit guide
because you’re a spirit guide for a
different person every week every week
every day every every hour yeah I don’t
know if it’s a thousand years per one
day and so they’re living a day and and
there’s how 30 60 years so there’s 10 15
20 20 of them in a day so you’re you’ve
got 10 minutes five minutes on each
person or what no some five minutes you
got five hours on a person if there’s 20
people 2 24 hours yeah about an hour an
hour per
person their for their whole life you
know and they need something say it’s
3:00 in the morning this guy is asking
way early so yeah I mean we’re trying to
make sense of it all scientifically
because it has to fit in the in the laws
of the universe right and so we know we
know some of the laws of the universe
and so therefore it’s got to fit right
well we think it has to fit we’re trying
to create it so that it fits yeah yeah
we’re we’re molding it so it fits in our
box yeah or we’re trying to understand
the bigger box that’s all we can do is
try to understand yeah and everything
seems to be relational it all it all
relates and it’s all relative like the
theory is that it’s reliable so since
it’s reliable enough we believe we have
the the right rules right law right but
rainbows can’t be signs because that’s
impossible to manipulate right it’s
impossible to manate manipulate without
the right conditions so if if if if
they’re going to do that if a spirit
being is going to do that they’re going
to have to put the clouds there and if
they’re going to do it in an instant it
means clouds just instantly appear and
the sun gets to the right position on
the on the horizon
immediately yeah they they can’t do it
you can’t do it at midnight you can’t
create a a rainbow at midnight never can
you do that on the dark side of the
planet yeah
well it’s not necessarily a natural
rainbow though because it could be like
a rainbow drawing or a shining through
prism okay so like you’re talking about
pink elephants you’re never going to see
a pink elephant because they don’t exist
but there are they’re all over the place
yeah and if you try not to think about
them you have to think about them and
they always have Tut twos on no matter
what you
do that’s the whole joke about pink
elephants so yeah if you open up to not
physical and that’s really what we’re
talking about too right the spirit guide
is a ethereal spiritual thing something
that you can’t contain in a box so a
rainbow is a rainbow flag seeing a
rainbow you know if you consider that
then yeah it can happen anywhere anytime
that’s just as random so rainbow is too
common too common what would you pick as
your sign if you were to test it and
choose someone uh like your your grandpa
something I believe I would never see
yeah if if you picked your favorite
Grandpa and and you put out emotionally
to him show me if you show me this then
I will know it’s you communicating to me
because the lady in the science book
says these people are always trying to
reach out like all the time they always
want to they’re not just sitting around
not interested in your life and so if
you want your grandpa to reach reach out
to you in a specific way and it would
have to be rare enough that uh you you
know you’re not going to see it just
every day probably be weird if you saw
it even occasionally what would it be a
sonic boom that’s what I would choose
because I really love those when I was a
kid and they don’t happen anymore
because the FAA out ruled them out you
can’t fly Super Sonic you’re choing
something that they’re not even able to
do right and so if it’s going to happen
but Paul Harvey said that in 2011 or
2001 the towers when the Jets over
Chicago there was a double Sonic Boom
because the Jets had to go supersonic to
get to Pennsylvania that quick so they
they can do it still still happens
anyone can do it it’s just they’re not
able to so a rogue airline pilot could
go super sonic he could go above the 900
miles an hour the speed of sound
whatever that is yeah and it would have
to happen in your wherever you are in
order for happen with me or or if it’s a
that Clap That speed could just be the
wind you can create that a sonic boom
can happen anytime usually have has to
have something flying a a a meteor will
create a sonic boom uhhuh when it when
it enters the the atmosphere so it could
be a meteor that in the middle of the
day that you’re not never going to see
but it’s a small psize thing that just
creates a boom and then you wonder what
was that so if I to select something I
select a sonic boom so the test is to
have Grandpa algo create a sonic boom in
my environment within the next four days
or something you give them a time frame
four days that I mean she did say when
she was this author when she was talking
about manifesting yeah she said when
you’re writing down you write down what
manifesting and you give it a timeline
but I don’t know if you can add a
timeline to the signs that you receive
from your loved ones I don’t know you
give when you’re manifesting you’re
giving a timeline what does that mean
what’s the difference in like your um
the the secret you’re saying you’re
trying to attract certain things you
give yourself a timeline to attract it
yeah and you say and you write down like
I am I’m really grateful that I’m a
millionaire and I I reached that goal by
the end of 2026 and so you write that
down and then somehow that gives your
your thing a timeline like I’m I’m G to
be that by the end of 2026 so that but
that’s a a long timeline a year and a
half I think if the Spirit guides are
there they could do it within right soon
right soon I it would make sense right
yeah how much how much they need to
really gather or go to the commissary
and pick up all this stuff so they can
create a sonic boom
yeah he could snap his fingers God could
snap his fingers and it would create a
Sonic if he’s omnipotent yes yeah yeah I
think the general conversation we’re
talking about spiritual connections is
that the same thing as
ethereal what is out of The Ether
ethereal versus
spiritual they synonyms ethereal just
seems it’s way too delicate in light
that seems too perfect for this world so
a Perfection Beyond
it’s ethereal Beauty I don’t know
something beyond the Earth yeah
celestially Heavenly un unworldly it’s
just off off of the terrestrial type
plane ethereal is something out there
and so it’s the same thing spiritual
Universal karma is an ethereal concept
it’s something that’s not not ruled by
cause and effect it’s a karmic effect H
is it close to Supernatural Supernatural
would have to be blamed on that ethereal
cause or effect the supernatural effects
right yeah Beyond natural Beyond cause
and effect yeah so magic magic that
happens is really just someone operating
where you don’t you don’t know how
they’re doing it and it becomes magic so
it’s ethereal to you outside of your
understanding to your perspective to
your understanding your perspective but
from the perspective of the magician
that’s operating it it was easy because
they did it within 10 seconds and
whatever or you know a millisecond
accomplished what seems impossible what
seems ethereal so they’re more
omniscient in regard to what’s going on
than you are they can see more yeah
accomplish more and not necessarily
omnipotent not more powerful because
they’re still operating I mean not not
necessarily all powerful because they
still have laws of the universe right
they know how they’re doing it they and
they do it and it seems completely
magical and it is Magic but they it’s
actually done yeah so do you think that
um your grandpa could know enough to
know how to make a sonic boom happen
without being all powerful so there’s
that’s the possibility I’d have to
assume that he did but let’s say he
doesn’t let’s say well what is this he’s
thinking that I can do Sonic booms
I can get pictures to show up in front
of him or maybe I can get a video of a
sonic boom or you know we can I can do
that well I mean okay so in the book
things like that count like someone just
mentioning something yeah if they say
you know what I’m missing so you know
it’d be someone a neighbor so jug would
say you know what I miss when I was a
kid Sonic bobes yeah someone coming up
with in days and that would count that
would have to count Okay so boom if I
use that in 4 days we’ll see if it ever
comes up and probably mom will mention
it tomorrow you have to completely not
tell anyone else right I’m not going to
mention it I’m not going to make it
happen you won’t say anything okay so
mine is a sonic boom in four days so
it’s your sh I’ve actually been thinking
about what what I would choose as as a
sign I have a few people that I could
request a sign from and everything that
I would request everything that was like
super meaningful for these people feel
like they’re very common like they’re
just everywhere and is that because I’m
seeing the signs already or is it
because I mean I don’t know no because
you’re thinking of that person so don’t
don’t think of those people think of
what you would like to see that’s
totally uncommon yeah you’re still
thinking they’re limited so don’t
consider their limitations at all it’s
like like a genie I want to say this the
genie that comes out and says except
love you can’t make someone fall on love
with you why
not of course a genie can help someone
fall in love with you so your spiritual
guide has to help someone fall in love
with you so yeah all right they’re
they’re unlimited have I shared with you
the phenomenon of my birthday though you
have a phenomenon about your birthday
yeah I mean it’s it’s probably a pretty
common birthday I mean it’s one out of
30 66 birthdays that you could have yeah
a date you know and it’s a few years ago
I saw my birthday as an expiration date
on uh one of my favorite drink
containers and then ever since then it’s
like three or four times a week that my
birthday comes up in an article or on
the TV or I see I see it on the clock
all the time but like my birthday is a
time of day that I would it would be
easy to see it twice a day if I was
looking at the clock you know you’re
usually awake during both of those times
bring right right but it comes up in
books and it comes up in in the news and
it comes up on calendars like here’s all
of the things that are like the series
of concerts are happening for the whole
year and one of them is on my birthday
even if my birthday is on like a Monday
like not not a weekend I don’t know
yeah and I always see my birthday when
I’m at a cemetery but that’s pretty
common too because that’s the cemetery
is full of dates like there every single
headstone has three or four dates on
them you see in contrasting that that
story for you I’ve never seen my
birthday really ever on a clock on
schedules there’s there’s uh two people
I know that have my same birthday but
I’ve never I don’t see it in random
places I’ve never seen it random places
I I was looking on my screens right now
they try to look for my birthday it
doesn’t happen yeah and even the time of
this conversation is not my birthday no
there’s so many things that aren’t my
birthday but you’re saying you’re seeing
it often enough that it seems to be a an
omen it seems to be a sign reliable a
sign that’s reliable now that I’m now
that I’m telling you that I am
remembering a thought I had last night I
think my name seeing my name somewhere
would be a pretty clear sign I think
because my name is so uncommon that
anytime I see it it’s spelled
differently so it have to be spelled the
same way that I SP to be the same
spelling that you have it yeah and so
that that would be a pretty uncommon
thing for me to come across but how
would how would having to work with a
name be for the other side like all
right we’re going to have to go back in
time and influence these people to name
their kids this so that you can meet the
80-year-old that is the same spelling
right yeah no it’s got it’s got to be
impossible it’s got to be impossible in
order to to work I mean I know it’s
impossible for a sonic boom but it’s not
going to happen and it’s impossible for
you to run across that even just to see
it to see it in print somewhere I mean
you’ll you’ll notice it yeah something
will happen someone will ride it in the
sky with a with a
airplane or it’ll be outo Banner on a
billboard or something so that works for
your spirit guide to give you that name
give you your name with the correct
spelling sometime in what time frame my
my it has to be my first name too
because I just saw my middle name over
there on my
bookshelf so it’s got to be my first
name my first name spelled the way I
spell it and it’s got to be well I guess
let’s say 4 days what is four days now
within four days so we’re doing four
days and today is Wednesday August 11th
Sunday so by Sunday afternoon Sunday
afternoon it’s got to happen and then if
this happens then we will just accept
that we’re receiving signs and then they
can do it way more often than that every
time they need to tell us something then
we know when I see that it’s it’s a sign
right well no
no yeah so you’re saying if you um you
you’re welcome to test it more you you
opening the channel of communication if
that’s a Communication channel that you
can identify and it happened once then
we got to find a better way to use it
right now we’re just kind of flippant in
the way we’re using it so okay yeah you
have to find a better purpose for it so
if it does if it does work let’s say
it’s a universal truth and it’s going to
occur and we can we can prove it
occurred once that doesn’t change your
whole life it changes your next step is
all that changes the next right thing
right because you’ve got you’ve already
got your beliefs and your mores and this
is this is how the world works it it’s
starting to adjust the way the world
works that’s how it would have to do to
me it have I’d have to frame that in my
world view you have to frame it within
your world view how could that have
occurred and let’s do it again but let’s
test it on something more less flippant
less just fun and let’s try to
accomplish something okay because there
there are things I’d really love to have
that person
do and I wouldn’t dare start with that
thing like like
what clear the trees out of my backyard
for
me I want four trees out there in the
right places I want to be sycamores just
tomorrow I’d like him there
tomorrow tomorrow no you said a timeline
yeah it’s if you can do things do that
not going to wait 20 years for that tree
to grow put it
there no not anything like that well
well I mean
maybe no the the magic and you know you
know the hardest thing I’m working with
now dealing with now it’s the magic of
love how does that how does that trip on
and trip off and trip it on for me just
do something something trip love back on
I mean functionally everything’s working
everything’s operating I can live this
way forever but it would be really cool
if there were love involved in that and
the genie said they can’t do that so
this spirit guide has to be able to do
that the Universe has to be able to
answer that
question or that need give a give a
response so I’ve said my final thing but
I I can’t I don’t dare put a a timeline
to that yet yeah because what if it
happens are you afraid of it actually
happening yeah well what would life be
like if it occurred what would it what
it what would it
mean I’m a little bit afraid of
something like that happening because I
tend to not believe in Supernatural
things I I don’t I tend to not want to
believe in that and so if it is shown to
be possible then it changes a lot of
things right and with with your world
view with that view right there that you
just stated if this does work in four
days then you’ve got you’ve got to work
that out and how what what that means
yeah what that could possibly mean for
you and and it’s only makes sense to
take your next step not to go all the
way to your big question you might have
a big question a big thing that you’d
like you’d like help doing much bigger
than putting trees out there or maybe
completely different than love but
there’s something that you’d like to
call on it to do or them or you know the
guide the universe and that’s what you
know we started with that that’s why
they wrote The Secret Language and the
secret and The Strangest Secret all
these things are that we are in control
of all this if we just ask and that’s
Christ statement that knock and you
receive knock and you’ll be open unto
you seek and you’ll find
so if you just put your mind to it and
go forward the universe will Pro provide
it will it will
happen no choice but to yeah and if we
can identify there’s no choice but to
and do these crazy things so what what
happens if there’s no sonic boom and
your name does not exist in four days H
now that’s a good question does that
mean the universe is wrong dead de
nothing out
there so so now that’s proof that’s
proof that can’t really be proof that
nothing’s out there but but like at the
same time I’m afraid that’s true as well
that that there’s nothing out there
yeah why would the universe care to give
us this the universe or our spirit guide
care to give us this sign and are they
obligated to like I said is it an
obligation that they have to uh are they
imprisoned by our whims and requests oh
or do they have a choice would make
sense if they have a choice that’s where
with God you talk about the will of God
if it’s if ask whatever if it’s right
for you and if it be right you’ll
receive the
answer you you can’t know whether it’s
right or not or if it’s the will of God
that you did that or not yeah maybe the
answer is no or maybe the answer is not
right now that’s too easy of a statement
I I never like it when people talk about
it that way and I don’t know the how
else to talk about it but can your
spirit guide be obligated to help you
like required how can you know what you
can ask appropriately that you
guaranteed an answer for and you
guaranteed the what the
signal the sign will come guaranteed the
sign will
come yeah that’s that’s really
frustrating to think about how do I do
this right have I have I drawn the star
on my on my floor correctly do I have
the right number of candles yeah and
have I touched the beads on my rosary
enough like the in the correct order and
said the right words and uh that’s
that’s frustrating to imagine that there
is a right or a wrong way to
request a sign from the other side right
is that evident that in the physical
world somewhere else I mean you have to
do things in the right order the legal
system if if you don’t file the correct
forms you’re not going to be responded
to right in a in a legal legal idea if
you even filling out a form if you miss
a statement then they reject the whole
form their one question wasn’t answered
appropriately they can reject it and
throw it away or reject it and send it
back to you and say there was an error
they could tell you what the error was
or they could not tell you what the err
was and say it just missed it and this
5,000 question application one of them’s
not right and it kicked it out and so
try again next year and I guess in our
world that you don’t really know like
everyone driving on the street you don’t
know that someone’s not going to be in
your lane when you go around that
building go around the corner and going
80 miles an hour that’s totally
unreliable too right that everyone obeys
the traffic laws so and that’s kind of
where we started out we’re in this
precarious on this Razor’s Edge living
our
life if we don’t walk softly enough
we’ll get sliced in two and if we uh
slide one way or the other it just
slices off half of us and we fall off
and we can
walk so you need their help but even
even we as humans don’t give people help
that way like however whenever you ask
for it then I will give it yeah you kind
of have to do it if if I have the
capacity or if I have the time if I have
the ability then I will help if I have
the desire perhaps if I desire if I feel
like it today or if I’m not sick we we
we were going to have a conversation
last week and that didn’t happen because
you weren’t feeling well right and that
happens sometimes to people never
happens to me but it never
happens that one time I remember you
were sick you were really really sick
that one time I D there was a there was
a covid thing that caught me one time
and I’m glad that passed never going to
happen again
though so I I don’t know that it means
anything if this doesn’t work it’s it’s
hard well now it’s not going to work if
it doesn’t mean anything it’s not going
to do it it’s not even going to happen
oh you have to
believe in order to make anything work
you have to believe that people are
going to obey the traffic lives for you
to actually drive on the road you have
to believe in traffic laws yeah yep you
do you have to trust you have to have
faith that you’re going to be able to
succeed stay on the on the right side
and everyone will be on the right side
on their in their
Lane there’s only one
instance while the one is is Believe In
Christ believe in the atonement believe
in that so there’s a belief in a faith
in regard to those spiritual large
spiritual
promises but any other belief You
Believe In the Spirit guides or in in
the Holy Ghost helping you or your
spirit Spirit Guide helping you or the
universe helping you that belief is I
don’t know that there’s ever a promise
that says it won’t work if you don’t
believe like yeah if some things happen
whether you believe it or not right is
this something that fits in that
category that you can use as a and
that’s the only reason you’d look for
approv as you’re saying I don’t
necessarily believe it but I’m going to
I’m going to say sonic boom four days
make it happen and I’ll start to
believe they talk I mean Elma talking
about the
seed you know have a desire for it to
grow and then and then you see some
positive sign and that’s Book of Mormon
scriptural you get some evidence that
the seed’s growing and there’s a sign
and and now is your faith do you still
have faith know you have a certain
knowledge there’s something moving so
we’re looking from belief to a Sign by
stating it saying four days in a Sonic
Boom I’m stating a belief I believe that
if I see this then I’ll have evidence
I’ll no longer have faith in a Sonic
Boom within four days it actually
happened say that’s that’s a fact now
based on that fact what could I believe
next yeah so even though we don’t have
an expectation it’s actually going to
occur you have a belief you don’t you
don’t have a perfect knowledge that in
four days it’s going to happen you’re
going to have another Bel belief
Serendipity that’s the reason that word
exists is because it’s something that
you didn’t know the cause and effect of
it occurred it’s just a
coincidence but coincidences are still
part of The Facts of Life and when they
occur you could say what was my belief
that caused that to occur and kind of I
point that as a sign identify it as a
sign and then try to repeat it see if
some universal guide is there helping do
you agree the coinci happen all the time
serendipitous
events yeah I think I do and coincidence
is a word that explains a way that it
happened explains a way that it happened
explains a way like it’s like oh yeah
that was just a coincidence it’s like
that nobody intentionally made that
happen so therefore it’s a coincidence
what we’re contemplating on what the
secret and the signs and Strangest
Secret identifies is let’s try to
make some causality to that let’s find
out what caused it and they’re proposing
that there’s some Universal forces in
play yes in all these coincidences and
so seek for a coincidence identify it
say this is the coincidence I want to
see that I don’t think is going to
happen and as it happens identify how
that could have occurred and who you
want to attribute it to Grandpa or
someone else or a spiritual guide or
this thing in the universe God what you
attribute that coincidence to
and if you attribute it to that will it
be will you be uncovering the truth of
where actually came from or will you
just be hoping wishing that it was that
and may me you still don’t know right
well that’s still faith if you still
don’t know then you’re still operating
under faith and belief faith in a belief
system but if you get proof that the
belief system so so then you test it out
again apparently she wrote the book
Laura wrote the book because she wanted
she said this is common enough I’ve got
enough evidence that I think this is a
fact and you should test it I’m writing
the book because everyone should test it
now yeah there’s enough evidence here
that this happens and it’s it’s common
so make it common in your life yeah and
they wrote The Secret for that same
purpose you know it’s it’s common it’s
going to happen just ask for it and it
will be there and like what’s the harm
what’s the harm in in explaining it that
way instead of completely and and the
harm B Alma says exactly the same way
you know have faith the S of a mustard
seed and even let the desire work in
your heart and then see what that does
and that desire starts working you’ll
start seeing benefits and then you you
don’t have faith in that benefit anymore
that that actually worked so I know that
that worked and then repeat it and keep
building and building and your faith
grows it’s like one of those
Perpetual U the receding horiz and
receiving Perfection what you’re talking
about perfection or accomplishment right
you accomplish something you’re you’re
seeking to accomplish something you’ve
accomplished that now that’s in the past
it’s history but you’ve got another
accomplishment that’s building on top of
that Faith continues to Reed from you
there’s always something else to believe
in something else to push to but you
know that you can do this if we can if
we can get that spirit Spirit Guide to
work for us and we always know that can
happen there’s always going to be
something else that will draw us to ask
for
assistance
yeah life is not just one question
there’s not just one goal to get to is
there is there just I don’t know that’s
a bigger question is what’s the purpose
of life it’s a progressive thing
continues to progress but if we can use
this so what what we’re questioning
right now what’s what is the what is the
minute discussion we’re having here it’s
it’s about whether you can rely on
ethereal for forces to assist you
whether you can request that assistance
all right as can well yeah I mean that’s
the that’s the question really is is can
you can you have a
connection and can they help you can
they help can they affect your life yeah
can you can you have have a connection
with is there a connection does a
connection exist and can you identify it
and can you request their
assistance yeah and like this is the
same question as if is there a God and
all of those things about a god like it
just widens it to or brings it closer
maybe I don’t I don’t know I’ve never
met in my mortal existence someone that
I could call God but I have I’ve met my
grandma and my kid and so yeah and they
can do things and and so you have a you
have a concept of who they are and my
grandfather and my dad even you can
identify who who they are and you know
they existed I have an image of them in
my mind that I can
visualize and that might make it easier
to
imagine that I’m being contacted by them
I have a mental connection of some sort
so what are you what are we trying to do
we trying to prove or to find out find
connection find connection with an
ethereal realm with the someone that we
believe so we have a belief they moved
on and we have a belief also that they
in that realm they can still see us and
can help us right does she say that’s
possible with someone that you knew
moves on you can ask help from them in
that book yes yes this uh one story was
a lady her husband passed on yeah and
then he he came he communicated to her
through the
medium that um he didn’t want her to not
get married again and so he was going to
find her a husband and it took four
years and he found her a husband and and
it was kind of neat how it was all
connected like the whole story of yeah
this person actually is like you could
assume that her dead husband picked this
guy for her you know yeah and it was
probably magical how they met you
know coincidence serendipitous yeah so
you couldn’t you couldn’t have designed
that any better so we want to find out
how to use that so that’s that’s the
supposition there’s a belief we have we
have to go with the belief first and say
let’s let’s believe it enough to try it
we’re going to try it and then what what
Alba says about the the test of faith is
the faith then you if it’s realized you
feel the swelling in your breast failure
the the some success then you’re going
to be able to know that that success
happen that that’s that then becomes a
fact so we’re trying to develop facts
yeah historical facts in our life moving
forward on purpose and say if if we can
identify that there’s some connection to
an ethereal plane because we asked for
their assistance if if that can come
through as uh they’re there then with
those facts we can go on a common
knowledge that yeah I know I can ask
this more yeah so let’s say we get
really adapted that well let’s say this
works and it all and it and and we can
you know like clor Jackson we could
write a book about it how many people
are going to believe us
how many people could you tell could you
talk about it to
anybody the people that that want to
believe will believe yeah at the mediums
or those who believe in
mediums yeah how is it useful in
ordinary life I mean ordinary life
certainly has to be able to serve you
your business your your family life your
finances you have to be able to solve
normal problems with that yeah um and
maybe a problem will come up that that
you’ll see that you could use some other
side of the veil help with you need
extra help yeah some something help from
something that can see you know further
than you let me tell you the the the the
one situation that I wish I had help in
when I was a kid I probably told you
about this before said that was said
starting starting a ditch or filling it
the had to put the tarp at the end of
the ditch and then the the water was
coming down the pump was started you
know you got 20 minutes before it gets
to the end of the ditch where you’re
starting the pipes yeah have 60 pipes to
start got to start them all at once and
the ditch has to hold the the tarp
washed out oh no h of the ditch it would
happened to be a in just dirt a dirt
ditch at the end so it wasn’t a solid
tarpot cement that you know it’s sealed
but I had to shovel this seal it in and
somehow it washed out and all the water
just disappeared and
so I wish someone else was there to help
me
get that tarp reset because you can go
up and stop stop the pump for an hour
and a half or something wait for the
water to drain out and then start the
pump up and so I had to set it in with
water flowing through it and maybe there
was some spirit guide help during that
time because I don’t know how I got that
water that thing in the ditch and
necessarily I mean it threw a lot of
dirt in it you just keep going and hope
hope this work I hope this work yeah and
I was alone and I looked around and I
screamed for some to help me you know
it’s just cuz what else am I going to do
I’m like maybe 15 or 16 years old I need
help here yeah and my dad did finally
come and he got there after it was all
done and the pipes were started and I
you know he saw that I dug up half the
dish Bank putting that in there he says
you moved a lot of dirt I said well yeah
I had to get that set it washed out so
maybe I did have the help there if I
could identify it that way
that something had to help that dirt get
in the right place to to stop a full
stream of water with a tarp at the end
of the ditch and and a dir because it
seems physically impossible for
16-year-old you to have done it
certainly possible that it wasn’t
available to happen that that couldn’t
happen I I didn’t have enough pressure I
mean I wasn’t the tarp was probably 100
PB I mean it was a big metal sheet by
itself I couldn’t hardly pick it up so
you can put one in into the ditch and
then jam it down the other way and then
you have to just get it to
seal yeah
so if it were a 10 PB tarp and a small
ditch you could push it down far enough
you could probably get it in the dirt
enough that you could fill it up but
that was as big as I was the tarp was
and yeah I probably had out outside help
I probably did get help at that time huh
just not able to identify what it was
who was was it that was helping you too
like what does it matter well it had to
be had to be my my dad’s
dad that H that has to be I didn’t I
never knew him but he was what he died
when I was three so he knew me knew who
I was and if he was watching he could
have been there he he would have known
how to solve that yeah he was a farmer
his whole life and he probably had those
issues and said let me just hold this
right here for you and then get the dirt
right right there and it’ll work I’ll
put my foot right in front of the
dam for a minute and then the dirt you
throw on top of my foot will will fill
in that hole I just
created yeah so that could happened I
mean that’s the only one thing I I don’t
know how it how occurred well it’s the
first one it’s an interesting story yeah
interesting that is that is interesting
and had had you connected it to maybe
you had
help before no I never thought of
ethereal or extra extraterrestrial help
in that in that event yeah I just I just
thought i’ I don’t know it it
worked it worked and I did everything I
knew how to do but it’s it certainly is
completely possible that everything I
knew how to do wasn’t enough that thing
was bigger than me so you considering
extraterrestrial help that would be a
time if if one kid had a problem and I
wasn’t going to die I don’t know I might
have died my dad might have H me hard
enough got back and said what do you
mean you didn’t do anything here up half
the ditchbank why didn’t you dig it all
up it’s still not running then he had to
jump out of the truck and help me get it
done so he could have come and helped
but I got help from somewhere
else and I didn’t just give up I just
kept going doing everything I could do
and after all you can do that’s what
they say salvation happens you can’t you
can’t do it yourself something else is
there there is spiritual realm there to
help so maybe that could be identified
there yeah if if you did receive help or
now that you imagine that that’s how it
happened if that’s possible then maybe I
can find that guy
say help me again help me
again yeah does it increase the meaning
of this experience does it make it more
important or you know and you we only
identified him as Grandpa earlier he’s
my grandpa too yeah your other grandpa I
was thinking of one and the other so
it’s it’s just the other grandpa so
maybe maybe this this conversation your
serendipitous request there coincidence
that you said Grandpa and then then you
trying to tell that story reminded me
that Monroe needs to be identified maybe
he is yeah it’s a it’s a very
interesting thing to talk about now so
this is a it’s going to be a personal
Adventure I don’t we talk about it but
probably will but I mean I really would
like to know how a sonic boom happens
for you in the next four days yeah yeah
so we we’ll talk about it it’ll still
it’ll still work but it’s more for our
and and we we can’t use it for what they
say don’t mock for mockery we don’t want
to laugh at it we don’t want to mock it
or try to say this that can’t be that’s
silly can’t use a rapo in that way yeah
so this is this isn’t to try to mock or
to test but we’re we’re trying to
experiment on this concept yeah
experiment and
experience experience it and see if we
can create history we see if we can
create so the the point is to see if you
can create facts in our future uhuh yeah
something we believe we’d like to see
Let it become a fact and that’s
a let’s yeah so we try it again recycle
that it could become a new skill that we
hold yeah that would be interesting okay
think that’s good
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