In which we try to figure out what “well-rounded” means and if it’s even something to be concerned about.
Recorded September 4, 2024.
Show notes and links:
Well-heeled actually only relates to people who are considered to have plenty of money
Gandhi of India – his 3 longest hunger strikes were 21 days each
Jim Collins “Good to Great” Hedgehog concept
Shakespeare Authorship question – Wikipedia
Shakespeare Authorship “Oxford” theory
Actually Theodore Roosevelt coined the term of Bully Pulpit – Wikipedia
Andy Andrews “The Noticer”
Commonplace Book – Wikipedia
Transcript:
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so a well-rounded person has to become
someone others want to be around that
person is fun happy and exciting he’s a
people magnet and that’s where
opportunities are to be shared and
encouragement is to be given the person
gets more than for instance you who we
talking to someone who’s not said very
simply young man you must become the
person that others want to be around
this is far in away the greatest success
Secret in existence I like that being
interesting to others that’s where it
came from I think if I was reading that
that’s something I would
underline all right I’m free to roll
about the country how are you I’m really
good
so I assume you have a
minute yeah I got a minute um um I got
that backup recording device but it’s
still in the box you haven’t even broken
it out yet no haven’t opened it up yet
that’s someday it’s really goofy someday
that will be free as well we’ll say free
alas I’m free alas all right well oh
I’ve been thinking about something for
the probably last 10 years of my life
and I just want to ask you about it 10
years yeah it’s it’s a really big
question for me and it’s impa have you
talked with other people have you talked
with everyone else about it and now
finally you’re opening it up to me no I
I’ve been talking to myself about it and
then in the last week I did ask somebody
else about it and it didn’t seem like it
concerned them at all oh so it wasn’t
wasn’t a big deal okay we’ll see if it’s
a big deal or not yeah is it even a big
deal um my question is
what does it mean to be a well-rounded
person and is that even something to be
concerned about well-rounded and and
what you mean by that is balance yeah I
think I think that is kind of I mean
it’s it’s balanced but like like heav
it’s heavier it’s like intentionally
balanced but the the level I think to me
it means the level of balance is still a
high you’ve got a high amount of this
and that and that other thing to to make
you well rounded it’s it’s not just it’s
not limiting certain things so that you
you’re not balanced by taking things
away You’re balanced by adding the
appropriate things yeah does that make
sense balance Yourself by adding what’s
appropriate like you yeah you you’ve got
your you’ve got your base level and then
you add enough of other stuff to to
round yourself out um instead of doing
less of of your base stuff so that so if
you yeah you’re thinking of it if you
think of it geometrically like a like a
circle and it’s got holes in it or a
sphere it’s round sphere that has that
has
a well any number of ways to look at
this but any any of them would be cool
to look at the the Earth if you made it
the size of a marble would be very
smooth but right now the size of the
Earth has mountains and valleys that are
Miles High and miles deep yeah so those
miles it just by size by looking at it
sizing it
appropriately you you round it out you
smooth it out so know smooth so by
making the Earth smaller you make it
smoother yeah um and by making it well
and maybe the the round in out what was
the question again what does it mean to
be a welled life yeah what does it mean
to be a well-rounded person or should we
even try to be a well-rounded person
yeah to be well-rounded so the the first
place my thought went to was was health
and and your physique should you be
well-rounded should you be healthy and
stout and strong and you know as opposed
to frail and weak or
obese well-rounded isn’t necessarily
obese yeah they might say that but well
healed maybe use that term with animals
sometimes you say well healed for
Animals well healed yeah I didn’t know
that I’ve heard that before H I’ve never
used it I haven’t been with animals long
enough and you’ve been with animal a
long time well trained well trained or
something you know is well well healed
and well rounded well adjusted yeah and
it has to do with I mean well-rounded in
a human means they’re adjusted to
society you’re you’re working well with
all the communities you serve and you
serve in and you’re responsible for your
life um operating
well so if there’s pieces that are
missing yeah so if your if your circle
your sphere is is a certain size your
aura around you covers these things and
instead of pulling something back to be
well rounded you add something yeah so
instead of making the Earth smaller you
just you just fill in the spaces so that
everything is as high as the
mountains right or you you build your
building spot so what you’re building on
is a smooth ground I mean you do that in
construction all the time let’s take the
top of that mountain off make it level
so we can put the complex right here on
top of this yes and or or you fill in
the the part that is low I just built a
road a road out on the side of my
property that has the there was a dip it
was kind of hard to drive through uh but
I filled it in with material I didn’t
take out I didn’t dig down to make it
level you could do the same you could
dig down to make it level or fill in to
make it level but just filled in the Gap
yeah and so you do that you make things
more rounded well rounded Corner um
so what do you think someone that is
well-rounded looks like they look
healthy right yeah that have to look
healthy you can’t be well-rounded well
can you look frail and be well-rounded
Gandhi Gandhi didn’t necessarily look
healthy yeah well that’s a good he was
because does well mean everything in
your life or is it just an educational
thing yeah so and and gandi may be a
good one to talk about in regard to that
when he was on a hunger strike for 30
days um was he still well-rounded or the
fact that he um responsibly or
intentionally stopped
eating did that unround him H did that
cause him to be less of a person or less
of a leader really that caused him to be
more of a leader that’s really what got
everyone’s attention is that he was
willing to forego food and go out of
hunger strike and that that impressed
more people
than if he had started the war they
expected him to start yeah so I’ve
always considered well-rounded person to
mean what you know like it’s a
intellectual thing I’ve never I’ve never
thought that it could be um that it
could be that it was every relating to
health like physical things and so
that’s
interesting um so for you it’s only been
intellectual yeah it has it’s if if
someone’s a well-rounded person then
they’re their tastes in music and movies
and and stuff have always been like
balanced and like never too much in one
thing and
never and and never nothing in another
category like another genre so with that
classification with that classification
Taylor Swift is losing she’s losing the
well-rounded
competition right because she’s she
can’t be well-rounded because she’s 100%
music right now right now maybe she is I
wonder if she likes to read um Michael
Jackson look at Michael Jackson’s life
he he was 100% movie star or whatever
yeah pop star oh yeah 100% celebrity
Michael Jackson was 100% celebrity he
didn’t do anything else any that wasn’t
their life in his whole life from the
time he was four years old or two yeah
time he was born he was he’s been a
celebrity so these people are amazing
and if they’re not well-rounded in my
definition of the phrase then obviously
it’s not important that someone is
well-rounded because those person
deserve those those people deserve
esteem and respect for what they are
right and if you’re going to be a
professional in one thing any
professional is going to be not
necessarily well arounded right
um Tom Brady or who’s the who’s the
quarterback now a quarterback isn’t
going to be doing all kinds of things he
not going to be part of a
band it’s not going to be an equal so
are they are they not well-rounded
because they’re focused on just one
thing yeah that’s that’s a good question
because um your definition of
well-rounded is different than mine
mine’s mine intellectually
well-rounded and you were considering
physical these people obviously eat well
and and are very active they have to be
right and do you have to have how many
how many different intellectual Ventures
do you have to be on to be called
well-rounded I me if you do one is that
enough or or do you have to do eight
different things um and if you do 20 is
that too many 20 different genres to be
thinking on And discussing and knowing
um and knowing about uh jack of all
trades and master of none if you’re a
master are you not well rounded rounded
and if you’re jack of all trades are you
not well-rounded because you know
everything about a lot of a lot about a
lot of things but not everything about
anything
I’m wondering if in order to be a master
in a trade you need to know enough about
a bunch of other trades as well well
there is the I believe it’s the Hedgehog
principle and I don’t know why it has
the word Hedgehog princip well look it
up let’s talk about the jins principal
and the uh good to great good to great
you have good to great right there on
your shelf somewhere yeah tell me which
page it I’ll uh open it up just
kidding you have index
22 Hedgehog somewhere near the front
where he talks about Hedgehog princi he
does have an index so I’m just going to
pull it up e fgh h Hedgehog concept yeah
page 13 and I think what that is is that
you use information from different um
different Industries to benefit yours so
what what you were just saying if you if
you understand but see if that’s what it
is I mean me read it um okay the
Hedgehog concept to go from good to
Great requires transcending the curse of
competence just because something is
your core business just because you’ve
been doing it for years or perhaps even
decades does not necessarily mean you
can be the best in the world at it and
if you cannot be the best in the world
at your core business then your core
business absolutely cannot form the
basis of a great company it must be
replaced with a simple concept that
reflects deep
understanding of three intersecting
circles and I assume that three
intersecting circles are explained
somewhere else yeah the well the Circ
are where you can be best at what you
have the optitude vi and what the
economic engine can be behind it oh yes
uh what are you’re deeply passionate
about what you can be the best in the
world at and what drives your economic
engine yeah so that’s the Hedgehog
concept is you got to have those three
concepts there but it says competence
it’s not just competence it it you have
to have the other two maybe that’s what
it is the Hedgehog just works and
continues working he’s not very he’s not
very uh exciting he’s not a zebra or a
giraffe he’s a
hedgehog but he gets his work done and
that’s how he gets his work done us with
those three things so that’s what it is
I think he kind of identifi competence
you have to get information from other
Arenas other areas you can’t just work
in your single area of competence
and and expect that everything’s going
to work fine you have to be informed by
other areas and your well-rounded sphere
you you can learn from other areas of
life yeah so that’s to be well-rounded
and is that also to be a
master be a master you need competence
in a single thing so that’s competence
and that’s the passion and the the drive
to understand fully what it is that
you’re working on so competence would be
the can you do it Circle and then the
passion is the passion Circle and then
it has to be something that wasn’t there
like three PS for these three circles I
remember you telling me about something
years ago where you have the passion and
the pay or you have to get paid is this
a I don’t remember um Tim Ferris thing
does he talk about
this no
I don’t think so well he I mean he’s
talked to Jim Collins
talked I feel like these three circles
had a came out but this is where this is
where it came from I don’t I don’t know
H um whether it’s written other places
or in other ways I I’m thinking the VIN
diagram idea of it and it’s kind of a
VIN diagram but it’s it’s where the
intersection of intersection of other
Concepts that’s the life Leadership type
stuff I think that’s where they
introduce the P into it or different
words oh okay but it’s the intersection
of different genres or different
business models that you gain that
expertise or you can you can improve on
something by intersecting medicine and
and mathmatic I don’t know we need an
example for that well-rounded like
Jordan Peterson and who he talks to Tim
Ferris may be good too you know because
he he’s talking to a lot of people he’s
gaining a broader knowledge every time
you interview someone else yes you have
questions and you interview them you
talk about it and try to get delve into
it and get in depth in some part of what
they’re the expert at and share your
expertise with them um that’s and that’s
been a complaint you know as far as
well-rounded Jordan Peterson the only
thing I’d say against him at times is he
tends to tell his side of the story
quite often when he’s interviewing
someone else okay because it is his
podcast after all it’s his podcast he
knows what he’s talking about and he’ll
form a question and the question will be
10 minutes long and it will include a
lot of Education he’s trying to teach
the guy he’s talking to instead of just
asking the question and that’s one thing
I think that him Ferris does is a good
interviewer he’ll he’ll may take a
little bit of time to form up a question
but he’s not necessarily trying to teach
the the one he’s invited to be on the
podcast he’s forming the question then
asking the question letting the person
then present their point okay um I I’ve
often thought Jordan Peterson just at at
times starts teaching lecturing as
opposed to interviewing yeah and so a
master will do that and actually no
maybe that’s not a masterful thing to do
because you have this Socratic dialectic
the socratic idea is Don’t lecture at
all just ask the appropriate question to
lead somebody to that discussion to that
Discovery okay so you’ll lead them a
question and who’s to say I mean maybe
Socrates was wrong and Jordan Peterson’s
right huh that’s just as valid just as
valid an idea that Jordan’s more rounded
than soccer
was um because no one can talk to
Socrates no Socrates never wrote
anything he just we don’t have anything
from him we have Plato’s right that’s
Bel but he
did so was he well-rounded sucker didn’t
write Shakespeare didn’t write anything
outside of his plays so does that mean
he wasn’t well-rounded I feel like in
order to be able to write his plays he
had to know a lot he knew a lot about
Homer’s writings he knew a lot about his
culture and and I think that indicates
that he was well-rounded before he
specialized if he was well-rounded there
would be other examples of his writing
what do you mean if he wrote as prolific
as he did so I mean that Shakespeare
didn’t write those oh yes you subscribed
to the shakes didn’t actually WR it was
an aristocrat yeah it was an aristocrat
that gave it to him because the
Aristocrat couldn’t couldn’t uh publish
it though he had Shakespeare publish for
him and I don’t know the guy’s name but
I I subscribe to that theory the person
who wrote it all the person who
understood it did write a whole lot of
stuff because you couldn’t have gone
that deep in all those poem all those
plays without having thought through all
of it a few times so the fact if there
there’s nothing else that Shakespeare
wrote but those plays that that doesn’t
pan out to be reality H do you have
something I could read or watch about
that so I could be convinced of that um
I’m sure there are but I I haven’t read
anything I I saw a a white paper once is
like a podcast or what do they call
those things that aren’t podcasts blogs
blog a blog post about it so the blog
post was enough to convince
you yeah yeah well plus logic you’ve got
to think it through I think it through I
thought it through okay and of course my
thinking is always correct that’s that’s
right as we all know as we all know our
thinking is always
correct all together
so so what well-rounded though why would
it ever be used how how would you talk
why would you say someone’s well-rounded
use this political environment we’re in
who’s the well-rounded candidates well I
I don’t know if okay let’s see um maybe
I I don’t know the background of the
candidates that we have I mean I know
that um Trump is a
businessman so he knows
business uh businessman movie star movie
star did he star in movies well The
Apprentice yeah well that’s a show what
do you call those the shows
reality shows reality show we say
someone’s a movie a lot of people a lot
of people probably only know him from
that from The Apprentice really yeah I
bet um but he was a businessman the
reason he did that was because he was a
businessman not because he wanted to get
into businessman in New York so he’s
he’s a New York primarily New York
businessman though his buildings are
everywhere right um but the movie
movies did did a lot for him not movies
but reality TV television star um and
now a politician and politician is one
of the things he went to later so those
three different careers make him rounded
to a specific degree um he was never
poor
though right he was never a a a well a
hillbilly like JD Vance JD Vance was
Hillbilly he had that behind him and
then he was a military man Trump was
never in the military and it’s
interesting he’s never claimed he ever
was he just never was okay so maybe so
he’s not as far as life experiences go
you wouldn’t say that he’s
well-rounded not that anyone has real
control over that
anyway okay you got to think and and so
the JD had the the lower level
rounding of being poor and and then
building his military career and then
through that building a a lawyer degree
and then going on to start a few
businesses and then being invited to to
run for Congress for for the Senate and
how vice president Jo and then who knows
how that’s going to round him but you
know polit politician political
environment may be the end of his life
or it may just be the next 16 years or
something and then he gets to go do
something else which will further round
his life out um the other people in that
Biden Joe Biden what’s his history I
don’t know I don’t know about him either
don’t know he’s not he wasn’t a movie
star so I don’t
know 50 years yeah Ronald Reagan was was
well-rounded he had all kinds of
different things he did union leader and
movie star and all that um Joe Biden was
a politician from the start his family
family name got him elected early in
life and he’s stayed in politics for the
last 50 years or so so he’s been there
forever um he’s less well-rounded
because he is just a single master of
one thing um and then Cala Aris is also
just one thing also just a
politician yeah she was a lawyer she did
go to law school she was born in a a
welltoo family though so she didn’t know
the hillbilly attitude she knew she knew
life normal life in an immigrant P I
guess and uh then had a few jobs and as
soon as possible I think she aspired
into into the political realm she was
just the right in the right place at the
right time to be who she is but there’s
some question about whether she has the
uh the ability to debate or to talk
longer than a few minutes so is that
important for a president be able to
talk for more than a few minutes to be
well-rounded is it important for them to
be well-rounded but like being eloquent
or being I mean I’m still intelligent
I’m still thinking that presidents don’t
even matter they’re just like because we
have to have a president we have a
president
and every all of the decisions are made
by the Senate and the Supreme Court and
and not the legislature makes all the
laws the president is the mouthpiece for
the country um president does have a
bully pulpit so the bully pulpit if it
can be used is beneficial which you
understand that term or nope I don’t
something we should talk about a bully
pulpit that’s um is saying based on your
position you have power and people will
listen to the position they listen to
the title that you hold okay so that’s
the way I understand it so I you could
look up the definition but it is just if
you don’t have the ability to speak
through that platform as far as enough
intelligence or enough of a
well-rounded um comprehension of what
the world is like or what what what’s
out there what different jobs and
careers do and I how to talk about ask
astronauts or how to talk about the
military uh then you you can’t really
use that effectively so your voice I
guess it’s not POS it’s not required
that a president use that Holy Pulpit
but FDR did it quite adeptly that’s why
we had the new deal that’s why we have
social security now that’s why we have
all this all this stuff because the New
Deal came out and he was able to talk
about it and promote it and get everyone
excited but that was before I would I
don’t know necessarily that that would
the case but Ronald Reagan was able to
do it too he was a communicator and I do
know Ronald Reagan’s time frame that was
before your time but it was in my time I
understand it and Donald Trump is the
only one now in the last 20 years
probably well since Ronald Reagan there
were I don’t think anyone really took
that Pulpit to use Ronald Reagan and
then it’s Trump that’s trying to use it
now he can move crowds with the way
um Barack Obama would a little bit that
way he he really he was Barack Obama
could could speak and could move crowds
with the bully pulpit could say things
and make the country move yeah yeah I
was going to say I think I think that
people considered Obama would be that uh
would would be well-rounded yeah would
be well-rounded okay so just on the
surface of things I would say Obama was
well-rounded I would say HW Bush was not
well-rounded he seemed a little bit
shallow to me but I was a was a teenager
when he was president and Bill Clinton I
only know what you guys said about him I
know nothing else yeah you didn’t see
Bill Clinton either you were you were
pre-teens at that point yeah so unaware
of what was going on and um so what
rounded May mean that that you can just
you can talk to different different
classes of people or different walks of
life so the the the the main thing so
Christ kind of the pivotal of the whole
world of the earth that says here’s
Christ and what what other world leaders
are there to consider well are there
brought more than just the national
scale here are there other um
I mean you had mentioned Gandhi uh
Gandhi’s one of those that the world
knew about the world knows about you got
Hitler the world knows about
Hitler um
Stalin uh knows about the Communist the
ma in China we don’t really know that
much about Ma and China because we
haven’t seen the story no one’s been
written about but it’s not been a movie
or there’s nothing really about it huh
he’s been quiet actually yeah they don’t
they don’t want to put out what he did
in
China
okay the the Chinese don’t want to put
it out that’s right they don’t want
anyone to know um but Christ lived a
simple life just he never he never owned
anything he never built anything he came
in as a as a humble what a he was a a
priest a rabbi as a rabbi he he was
raised up through the temple and through
the Jewish line and became who he was
and had his rounding from his father
spiritually as opposed to from the
teachers around him it was so with that
is a Spoke sorry was he just as well
rounded even though it all came from One
Source huh I think I think somebody
would say well of course because that
one source was God so any
Oman but that’s only if we’re it’s
obvious he could talk he could talk to
any crowd of people any group of people
he knew what to say to those people yeah
and is right is that the goal of being
well-rounded is
being empathetic in in your
conversation being able to communicate
appropriately and effectively with a lot
of
people I don’t know it’s possible that
you could be well-rounded if you never
speak um is the the sheriff in a small
town in Ohio just as well-rounded even
though he never gave a public spe speech
not the sheriff but the deputy that
worked there in the office his whole
life could he be a well-rounded
individual H well
rounded this is a harder question to
answer than I thought it would be yeah
because it’s totally subjective to the
person or the situation right and the
reason I ask these kinds of questions is
because I’m concerned for myself am I
well-rounded or do do I even need to
worry about being well-rounded or does
it matter does it matter well healed I
think means supported rich or having a
lot of uh what support or resources at
your disposal that’s what well healed it
not NE NE with animal maybe it is with
animals too oh well healed with two e
not like yeah not like was sick and now
better not like Health yeah okay I see
um so do you have to be well healed you
have to be rich or famous in order to be
well-rounded probably not well healed is
a different thing well-rounded has to be
by the way is it is it in the Wikipedia
or somewhere like that well-rounded
or Dictionary h are we looking it up
well-rounded we’re looking at it having
a smooth curb shape or the person is
plump well-rounded plump person pleasing
buried or buried for balance a dry
roasted robust well-rounded one pleasing
varied or balance okay so Mariam Webster
says fully or broadly developed such as
having a broad educational background or
comprehensive
something is well-rounded it’s
comprehensive yeah comprehensive this
one says well the AI has bit out skill a
variety of skills abilities and areas of
knowledge so a variety is well roundings
okay so maybe being well-rounded isn’t
isn’t like a qualif it isn’t like a
qualification for the world to see this
person as a well-rounded person
therefore they are a good person
it’s just it’s just a way that someone
could be someone could be well-rounded
or some someone could be a specialist
and uh yeah I don’t know well rounded
interested in people um the the other
line here well-rounded people are
interested in the world and interesting
to others so it’s curiosity it’s being
curious yourself and having I guess
being interesting what is that
um the book I was reading here let me
introduce the book The noticer by Andy
Andrews this is a
about uh Jones Jones who’s an old guy
that teaches everybody things but he has
the question that he asked at the
beginning of the book and at the end of
the book about um let’s see if no one
wants to be around you you know someone
whose life in every way just seems to
work has the opportunities one after
another that seems never to get
Disturbed ened well there are people
like that so if opportunities and
encouragement come from other people and
one of the special Achievers seems to be
getting more than his fair share of
opportunities and encouragement from
them why might that be said you must
though why it has to become someone the
others want to be around that’s
interesting to others so a well-rounded
person has to become someone others want
to be around that person is fun happy
and exciting he a people magnet and
that’s where opportunities are to be
shared and encouragement is to be given
the person gets more than for instance
you who he’s talking to someone who’s
not said very simply young man you must
become the person that others want to be
around this is Far and Away the greatest
success Secret in existence I like that
being interesting to others that’s where
it came from I think if I was reading
that that’s something I would underline
yeah I might even get it tattooed on my
arm just
kidding in in gaay now what’s what’s it
written in Gala fren we get it g
Fran okay so that all the time Lords can
read it no one else
yeah um so the question he proposes that
you need to be asking all the time is
what is it about me that other people
would change if they could so to be
aware of what would make you more R
rounded or more interesting to others is
what about me would they change if they
could H and that doesn’t
necessarily relate at all to whether you
have Read Moby Dick and The Iliad and
and whether You’ have seen the ballot of
Buster scrubs or um
or
Alice yes right Somewhere in Time and
really understood what it’s talking
about so that’s yeah you you can be not
well read and not well watched um and
still and still be someone but as soon
as someone says something about Moby
Dick and saying you know this is what
you you need to understand um you’d be
curious about it so a well-rounded
person wouldn’t just say mby dick that’s
a novel I don’t like novels they they
don’t not like things well Ed person is
interested and interesting how about
that yeah
interested and interesting interesting
to who you’re around like you can what
if uh what if the people that you hang
out with are people that always watch
movies and so therefore if you’re going
to be around them you need to also be
watching movies or be interested in the
movies that they’re watching right yeah
and have an opinion about it you got to
be interesting so you have to add your
little bit if you don’t add your little
bit then you’re not really well-rounded
in that Circle if you have nothing to
say nothing to contribute Moby Dick or
you know Alison Wonderland what it
really represents or anything it
represent you know the chest your cat
what what could it mean that there’s a
smiling cat that
disappears so being being curious being
well-rounded being interested and
interesting
so it’s not necessarily being
well-rounded like that specific phrase
that is important it’s what was the
simply put from that noticers book you
just read it’s um
complete the greatest success you
created in existance you must become a
person that others want to be around
okay maybe that’s the answer
well-rounded or not whatever that means
you you want and well-rounded is
subjected to the group other people it’s
the people that you’re around you can
choose to be under the bridge in San
Francisco with those people and you
might be well-rounded if you say nothing
but you just I don’t know what you’d
have to
do to for them to want to be around you
maybe you have candy bars or a candy bar
and you you’re willing to give them a
peanut or
something um so they’re interested in
that and different than if you were
sitting in the
airport um if you smelled like you did
Under the Bridge they wouldn’t want to
be around you in the airport for sure
right that the bridge didn’t care how
you smelled right so the bridge
subjective your subjective to your
audience so the people you’re around
yeah your audience like you are putting
on a show you’re it implies that you’re
always adjusting yourself to who’s
watching and that’s that’s the idea of
circumspection being circumspect being
seeing the area around you noticing the
title of that book is the
noticer um Jones in there just always
knew what everyone was doing around he
knew who was going to be there who was
there of course he a metaphor for God in
this case for the spirit and how the
spirit will teach you think
but you’ve got to be aware of who’s
there that you’re talking to um and the
funny thing about uh about kaml is
speaking in the last this last week last
few days how she’s developed the
southern draws she’ll talk to talk to
people who she feel needs an accent with
the
accent do you think she does that on
purpose controversy I think it’s just
kind of automatic where she she did it
um I was listening she did it on purp to
some like I was listening to a playlist
of like Nordic chant music and it had um
like Irish stuff in it and Scottish
stuff I was just listening to this while
we were constructing the house and um
the other guys
came they come they came back from
somewhere and uh and so I stopped my
play and I started talking to them and
they’re like why do you have an accent
right now and it’s because I was
listening to that that music they’re
like you’re speaking a little bit Irish
right
now yeah so just where you are who
you’re around changes even
subconsciously
subconsciously there’s that word again
you’re not noticing you don’t know that
you’re doing it right you’ll you’ll get
some kind of a draw that comes into your
voice your your
words um you start talking like people
around you chameleon the chameleon type
I idea okay and but they also they they
they showed in this that kamla was going
this why because Hillary Clinton did the
same thing she got into Southern draws
and trying to speak different dialect
type um inflection with she was trying
to impress those people I know how to
talk like y’all
whatever yeah I mean so maybe being a
well-rounded person is having the
knowledge and the skills to fit in to
whatever group you’re in whatever group
you find yourself in yeah to be to be
able to fit in to be able to fit in and
maybe that’s why I’m so concerned about
it is because there’s a lot of times
there was a lot of times in my younger
life and maybe there’s a lot of times
now too where I’m worried that I just
don’t fit in with the people that I’m
trying to fit in with because you don’t
know enough about them or the like I’m
concerned if you’re new to a group that
I don’t knew to a a group or an area you
you you don’t fit in because you you
don’t really know enough about them yet
yeah or like in your music career right
now you know everything about everyone
there right in my what again music
career oh in my music career I know
everything about everybody yeah you’re
you’re well ingrained in that you’re
well-rounded as far as understanding
everybody but is there are there new
people there that aren’t quite
well-rounded yet yeah yeah I think there
are I think and you wonder when you
enter a new group like that if you’re
stepping too hard into it if you’re U
making inroads that shouldn’t be made
yet you’re advancing too fast yeah
stepping on toes yeah stepping on toes
is a concern that a lot of people have
when they’re when they’re brand new in a
position um they want to take action on
something that they’re passionate about
but they they’re not sure if it’s their
place um and maybe it’s not their place
maybe they they can burn a bridge by
saying something that’s completely off
thewall or out left filled yes the for
the group and then they get ostracized
from that point on you’re the one that
said
this okay so that’s why it matters to me
that’s why it matters to me is I feel
more secure when I feel like I fit in
this is reminding me of something else
that I read in another book kind of
recently I don’t remember what it is but
every it’s something to the effect
of emotional health fitting in matters
where you are gosh if I had if I had
started my commonplace book like six
months ago and actually kept up on it
then I would have I would be able to
have right in front of me you could flip
back seven pages or 10 pages and you’d
say yeah this is book that’s forever
here’s what it says fitting in matters
though that’s the thing is fitting in
matters yeah and it might be like a
seven habits it might be a seven habits
thing because in this Seven Habits of
Highly Effective
families they talk about rituals and um
traditions and those create a sense of
fitting in for your
kids um if and inside jokes if you have
inside jokes with a group then you feel
like you fit in yeah you’re part of the
part of the In Crowd yeah and that’s
important that that’s important let’s
just say yeah that’s the basic I think
gist of it and it’s comfort you got to
allow people to be comfortable inside
the group you want the group to be
cohesive they has to be comfortable with
each other the family the
community
yeah well so being well-rounded doesn’t
isn’t isn’t the path it’s just one of
the paths to happiness right well is it
a is it a status of Merit I can you um
is it a skill you can learn can you
learn why what roll roundedness or is it
a characteristic characteristics you can
learn too I mean the point of this
notice or book is that yeah you can
learn it identify what things people
would change about you and try to which
one would they change first kind of how
the idea and maybe start working on that
yeah you can focus on being well-rounded
on being interested and interesting to
more people it did kind of use in here
there was an example you know some most
people don’t mind if you use a swear
word every now then but there are some
groups of people that get put off by
that and let’s say it’s 20% of the of
the society you’re in um you’d be better
off if you’re trying to make friends
with them or or get something done and
and would like them to like you and you
like them be interested in them they be
interested in you is if you can not use
swear words and have the chance of also
influencing that 20% because if you do
use swear words that 20% is out you’re
automatically hurting yourself by having
people um what was the secret again
which
was you must become a person that other
others want to be around others want to
be around not just that they tolerate
you yeah there’s 20% of them that won’t
want to be around someone who’s got a
swearing habit or
continuously or whatever I mean pay
attention to what they want learn and be
be able to be well-rounded in their eyes
so how can you be well-rounded for other
people and still be true to who you are
I mean I feel like
there’s there’s a lot said these days
about don’t you worry about what other
people think about you you’re valid
you’re you’re you’re a valid person you
lead a valid existence no matter
what and maybe the only person that
really matters is Jesus or God or
whatever denomination you are like
you’re that’s the only your Supreme
Being is um and if you happen to not
have a God in your life it’s you’re the
only one that really matters your
opinion of yourself so hold your high
self-esteem keep your esteem up because
you’re doing exactly what you’re
supposed to do um don’t let someone else
run you
down and well-rounded you you could do
that just within yourself then you need
to not be open to others criticisms that
damage you you don’t have to be a
victim be someone that you like to be
around yeah be that’s was one the Gandhi
statement be the change you want to see
in the world so if if you think people
should be that way be that way um and
the well that’s not what do I say on
first there is people aren’t trying to
hurt you if you if you think people are
trying to hurt you then everyone is
trying to hurt you if you’re the only
way you can be a victim is if you accept
that victim status if you accept the
fact that you’re a square peg in a round
hole and and it just doesn’t fit if you
look at life that way it’s always going
to be that way but if you can say I’m
around Peg just as much I can work this
out self-confident I’m I’m able to
identify what these people are talking
about and fit in with them so yeah if
you think you don’t fit in and you can’t
fit in then you’re going to be
ostracized you’re not going to fit in
you’re not going to be part of that
group you have to pick another group
okay and it’s all within you so that’s
what I’m trying to point out I’m trying
to propose I guess Pro see if it’s true
is it true that that you make the choice
that’s whether you fit in or not because
you either adapt or you don’t say I’m
not willing to adapt to this group who
doesn’t swear I’m just not going to be
able to not do that I’m the guy that
swears so that group isn’t my people my
people over here right yeah I think
that’s true that makes sense I think I
subscribe to that you you choose anyway
there’s a lot of things that you choose
that people think that you don’t choose
um and I think that’s one thing that you
can choose you can choose to fit in you
can choose to put in work to fit in or
you can choose to not fit in like this
isn’t for me I’m not going to fit in
here and as soon as you decide it’s not
for you you you can still blame them and
I guess you can still take the victim
status they kicked me out but it’s
because you you don’t
fit right you’re not willing to be the
the type of individual that fits in that
even a swimming team if you’re not going
to practice if you’re not really going
to like swimming why would you even want
to be in a swimming team but you could
say they kicked me out or you could say
I just didn’t want to practice hard
enough to get to be as good as all of
them yeah and that’s the most honest I
mean maybe they did kick you out but
really the reason they did was because
of a choice you made you didn’t yeah you
didn’t want to put in the effort I mean
there may be some uh person that wants
to join the bag pipe band and doesn’t
want to practice and wants to always
play the wrong notes that would just be
invited not to come back yeah it’s
really hard to invite someone to not
come back it’s a very difficult thing
because when it’s a volun people so
much yeah well it depends on how bad
they want to be
if their whole purpose is just to mess
mess up every time of course you don’t
get people in that people don’t join a
group usually because they want to break
it up they join it because they want to
participate they want to fit in that’s
true so they want to be the C the people
who don’t want to fit in just they don’t
join no I can’t I can’t be a member of
that church because that church isn’t
comfortable for me stuff like that um so
what about a well-rounded religion
mindset what is that um is someone who’s
a zealot could they be considered
well-rounded um or a fanatic right yeah
my my instinct says no no they’re
they’re stuck in their wear the religion
on their sleeve you wear your religion
on your sleeve and everything has to do
with that everything you talk about is
that that’s all you can talk about
that’s a what do you call type of person
a fanatic right uh yeah very Pious maybe
Pious yeah um so they’re not
well-rounded they they’re not they’re
not interested in someone else’s idea
they they know their ideas are true they
have it on their Church leaves they can
read it and they present it all the time
so they are who they are and they’re
always presenting that one model but
they’re not able to be interested in
what other some someone else has to say
and they’re not interesting to someone
else of another background yeah they’re
interesting to maybe a very few people
who feel the same way that they do yeah
if you if you get two ingrained in one
thing so let’s let’s use this horrible
Taylor Swift music
again it’s not horrible okay it’s just
not your cup of tea but it is what I I
it’s it’s in the genre she she well she
tried country she’s not going to change
genres of her music or whatever the the
style she hasn’t changed it in my that’s
only my opinion so I don’t know I don’t
know maybe she has maybe she has
different albums um but an artist
usually is an artist in a given a given
area and that’s what they do they don’t
do something else uh uh G Brooks his
country Brooks Country and that’s what
he does he doesn’t do gospel he doesn’t
do
jazz right so they all have their
specific areas and if you love gar
Brooks you love him because he’s country
um and if you don’t love him because you
don’t love country that’s okay he
doesn’t mind he can be fanatical
country yeah it’s okay if someone
doesn’t like you right and that’s where
he still well-rounded in his in his area
but he may not be well-rounded to
someone else he just you select your
group to be well-rounded in yeah so the
rounded depends on who you really want
to impress or be interested in and how
be interested in you right and that’s a
choice group that’s a choice you choose
your you choose your environments and
where you fit in and if G feels he just
doesn’t fit in in the Opera stage and
he’s just not going to play much time in
Opera right okay I think maybe maybe
we’ve got something figured out I mean
I’m feeling better about my desire to be
well-rounded I’m not feeling better
about how guilty I feel that I’m not
well-rounded yet but well and and you’d
have to identify what group you’re not
well-rounded in because well-rounded
doesn’t mean as a person it
means desire to fit in it’s situational
I I mean I you could care less if you’re
well-rounded in in let’s see what what’s
the golf world well maybe you might care
about golf Sports yes I am not well
rounded Sports and I don’t care for one
little bit whether you’re well-rounded
in football or
not right yeah so and that’s fine you’re
not trying to be well-rounded there it’s
not it’s not bothering you but it
bothers you that you’re not well-rounded
somewhere else in other areas I’ve got
yeah I’ve got to
identify that yeah what’s the area you
want to be well-rounded in and then
that’s what you have start working on is
what what um yes people are interested
in me I’m they’re interested in them
they’re interested in me and what was
this try to hang out with that I keep
forgetting and what are their
characteristics that I need to be um
what is it that people want to be around
in that group what do people want to be
around in that group and how can I
become that type of person too how can I
be that well-rounded for that group so I
like the community I live in there’s
there’s a lot of cowboy type people and
I’m not Cowboy enough for them they’ll
talk to me but they won’t invite me to
their uh to their Barbe Cowboy
activities yeah they won’t invite me to
their Roundup you know because he not
Cowboy enough for that so you I’m not
invited and do you want to go to the
Roundup
I don’t know probably
not I mean if I wanted to I could ask
and they would let me go and they would
lend me a horse but I don’t have my
horse I’m not trying to do that so it’s
it’s probably okay that I’m not in that
Circle I’m I’m fine with just being able
to talk to that Circle but not be not
necessarily fit in um when when they’re
calling people to come and help with the
Roundup and help with the moving the
cows you know I I guess I felt bad I’ve
got an old trailer my trailer wasn’t
asked to be used when they’re moving
cows yeah and I thought maybe I should
get my trailer built up so that it could
be one that they could think about
asking to help um and maybe I still
could do that that’s that’s okay I’m not
necessarily concerned about being
well-rounded in their in their eyes
knowing enough about horses in order to
do it huh it would be sure awesome it it
sure would be cool if you were that that
well was that cowboy
is that much of a cowboy but it does
require a a bit more than what you have
reques more than just more than just
trying more than just having a h having
a a trailer that you could use possibly
and more than wearing a cowboy hat more
than wearing the boots and uh going down
to the bar or the you know well you
could go to the bar because
some of them hang out or going to the to
the grocery store or the gas station and
sitting there and talking to them
getting to know him a little bit um it’
take more than that more than just
trying to push yourself in you’d be an
out more than a can do activ a can do
attitude yeah um you’d have to be I
don’t know how how you get into that
find out who they like and then get to
be liked by them you’ve got to hang out
with them yeah if you want introduce
yourself to a new group and try to fit
in it would be somewhat insulting if I
just put on some nice shiny cowboy boots
got a big buckle and a cowboy hat and I
walked up and said hey guys Partners how
you doing
Partners
yeah how about how about we go on how
about we go on our Roundup what do you
think try to get a a country twang in my
voice that would be offensive I think
it might yeah and let’s start calling
him 10 gallon 10 gallon hat got all hat
no
cows well okay so I do have some
thinking to do then um and it’s how you
join that group how how do how do you if
you have a group you care about joining
the thing to think about is how you
become well-rounded that group what that
group represents what they would change
about you kind of the the book that
notice her book what they would change
about you if they could which they can’t
but you can you can start thinking about
that and identifying you know it seems
like we clashed right there what would
the Clash what would he change what
would they change if if they could about
me and then you can start working on
changing that to become more able to fit
in more well-rounded in that that group
right well I need to get a copy of that
book and put it with all of the other 10
books that
have to read right now the ones that I’m
thinking about right now I I have at
least 400 books that I do have to read
but in reality it doesn’t matter which
book you pick up you’re gonna you’re
gonna find stuff in it that
matches yes yeah it’ll be fine and it
probably is in cubes seven habits highly
affected people philosophy as well it’ll
it’ll be everywhere so yeah be
well-rounded being well-rounded isn’t a
bad thing and it’s something you can
work on I think it’s a skill you can
develop you just have to be aware of it
aware of where you you were a little
rough and people would like to change
you which they can’t they probably would
never say it hopefully you’re thinking
about it well enough to you don’t make
it obvious that you’re trying to work on
it but you can just identify this I can
do a little bit
differently right well I think I think
that might do for that conversation
did you just say good it’s a good thing
good thing to be well-rounded let’s
let’s do it it is a good thing yeah it’s
it’s a good thing to be well-rounded um
situationally environmentally
situationally where you are where you
are where you want to be and where you
want to be the environment you want to
be in you’ve got to be well-rounded in
order to be accepted and fit in to that
environment community and in our other
conversations so you select the
community you want to be a part of you
got to be well-rounded found in that
Community for the community to be
successful effective yeah I went into
this I went in with this question
thinking that there was a
universal list that applies to everyone
here check this off and if you check all
of these boxes then you are a
well-rounded person yeah if you know
these 20 books in probably in every
Community if you knew those 20 books for
that Community you’d be well-rounded but
there’s going to be 20 books for every
different Community you go
to okay okay Wow Let’s very good
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