In which we explore reasons and options for cataloging thoughts and ideas, for the expressed purpose of easy retrieval, much like a Commonplace Book or an Index.
Recorded March 06, 2025.
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Your worst enemy cannot harm you as much as your own unguarded thoughts. | TOP 15 MY OWN WORST ENEMY QUOTES
Do you have a minute? | doyouhaveaminutepodcast.com
How a ‘DOGE’ engineer (and former SpaceX intern) used AI to decode some of history’s oldest sealed scrolls | RDWorldOnline.com
Minority Report (film) – Wikipedia
Secrets of the Millionaire Mind | T Harv Eker
Transcript:
| [clip] That’s the only thing that you can grow out of. |
| I mean, it’s the seeds and the fertilizer and |
| everything. It’s the seeds. You can’t grow a |
| plant without the seeds. So if you don’t have |
| the seeds of everything that you’ve done before, |
| there’s nothing to grow anyway. [Introduction] Do you have a |
| minute today? Yep. All right, this is our podcast |
| where my daughter LS and I, NDM discuss |
| topics that we come up with and think that should |
| be delved into. And as we delve into it, we invite |
| you along and we’re happy that you’re here. And |
| we hope that you find information and valuable |
| insight as we hope to find ourselves. Welcome. |
| [Main conversation] So we go in. The topic today is topics or catalogs. |
| Catalogs, searching things. When you’re searching |
| for something, how you find it, how you know |
| that it’s there. You have some kind of inclination |
| that you know something, you know a quote or |
| a thought. How do you find that thought? How |
| do you return to it after you’ve had it? Yeah, |
| after you’ve had it. Well, just in general, let’s |
| see how the world operates. So if you’re thinking |
| of what would be a quote, the only harm you can |
| do is yourself. If there’s harm to you, it’s |
| because you did it. Okay. That’s a concept I |
| think I’ve heard somewhere. So if I’m going to |
| try to find that quote somewhere, I’m going to |
| search in Google, right? Is that the best place? |
| That’s what I would do. Yeah. We harm ourselves. |
| Only we harm ourselves. And then it has an LDS |
| after that. So there’s an LDS statement with |
| that. You think it’s somebody, some LDS guy that |
| said that? Maybe. Types of signs of self -harm. |
| So this is talking about self -harm. Maybe it |
| suggested LDS because you always search LDS stuff. |
| Maybe. So in this library, according to the Church |
| of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints, people |
| can harm themselves and others. That’s just a |
| sample. So you’d look at that, and then it does |
| have things you’ve searched for before that augment |
| that search. So what you’re doing right now is |
| trying to find where you found this thought, |
| where this quote came from that you think is |
| a quote. Yeah. But because I wrote it somewhere, |
| it’s just what I was reading recently. So the |
| original inequality of mankind. No, I’d have |
| to search more into it. But I mean, you get a |
| starting place. Google gives us a starting place. |
| So that’s just the idea. Okay. And then as you |
| remember more about what it is, then you can |
| add to your Google search terms. Right. So you’re |
| trying to search. Keywords. So in Google, we |
| search keywords or phrases or a group of words |
| together. Like? Well, like anything, you put |
| a group of words together. Inconsistent or inconsistent |
| performance ever worth using. So I just typed |
| inconsistent worth. It comes up with stuff. So |
| I could say self -esteem that fluctuates based |
| on external factors or data that contains contradictory |
| values. Are inconsistent workers ever worth using? |
| Whatever two words you want to do, you can do |
| that. Google spits you out something. It spits |
| out two or three things that it has connected |
| to that. Do indexes work like that in other websites, |
| like a blog post? Have you ever searched a blog |
| post or anything for keywords? On our own website, |
| I’ve searched. We have on our podcast website |
| a search bar in the sidebar. And so when we were |
| getting ready to talk about truth, I’ve… was |
| trying to get all of the transcripts from all |
| of our other episodes up so that I could see |
| what we said we would talk about when we talked |
| about truth because it seemed like we mentioned |
| it in every episode leading up to that. Right. |
| We always said, we’re going to have to talk about |
| this sometime. Yeah, we’ll talk about that when |
| we talk about truth. And so I searched the website |
| for which posts. which episodes mentioned truth. |
| And so it found me those. But then once I went |
| into each episode, I had to control F. I had |
| to find in the page the word truth. And I was |
| able to find that. So the episode, did it pull |
| it from the written transcript? Yeah. Is that |
| what it searched for? It searched for the words |
| that we spoke. Yeah. Okay. So those are already |
| in there in a website. You can search a page. |
| That’s the control F. find something in a spreadsheet |
| or a document. It’ll find a specific word or |
| words. That’s one way to do it. So if you have |
| all of your information that you, my thoughts. |
| So I’m talking about a way to, that’s the way |
| the world organizes it. If you have a webpage, |
| you can search any word on that webpage and find |
| it. Find inconsistent. If you ever use that word |
| inconsistent in this whole page, it’ll pull up |
| where that is. It’ll pull up all of the instances. |
| And I think, A lot of other websites, like you |
| can do that on any web page. But sometimes bloggers |
| put in their tags or their keywords so that it’s |
| like guiding you towards an idea. Even if they |
| didn’t say the word truth in a podcast, they |
| knew they were talking about that. Or in a blog |
| post or something, they knew that’s related. |
| And so it’s a tag. It’s a keyword for… Yeah, |
| identify your tags. And that’s what I’m working |
| on doing in that. I haven’t done much of it, |
| but inside our webpage is identifying what the |
| tags are. So if we’re talking about a topic, |
| that’s the tag topics, the tag ideas that we’re |
| discussing in this area. Now, the tag just identifies |
| that it’s in this episode, but it doesn’t say |
| this is the minute of the episode that it references. |
| Right. And I noticed that on articles and things |
| that I’m reading outside, it’ll have tags listed |
| on the bottom. This has, I don’t know, health |
| and safety and competence or whatever is on the |
| bottom in their tags. Those are apparently searchable |
| in their website if I’m reading an article. Right. |
| Okay. And then if I enjoy that topic and I want |
| to talk about health and punch that tag, it’ll |
| show all the other articles in that web page, |
| in their articles that cover health. And that’s |
| the… purpose of tags. It gives you a connection |
| to everything else they’ve said about that topic. |
| Yeah. It’s a way to organize things and make |
| it accessible. That’s the digital. If you have |
| your life in the digital world and it doesn’t |
| become too distracting to you and your whole |
| life’s in the digital world, you can run your |
| life that way. But you would have to put everything |
| in that digital world. Yeah. You would have to |
| make it searchable. It’s not searchable if it’s |
| just on papers thrown around your house. Right. |
| Like these two books, I’ve got these two books |
| that I’ve written in when I’ve read books and |
| it’s meant something to me. So I’ve got two of |
| them. One of them’s completely full. Learning |
| Journal is what I’ve called it. One’s completely |
| full. The second one is 80 % full. And my last |
| entry on that was 21 in the second one. My first |
| entry was 2013. Okay. So I’ve got 12 years. I |
| don’t know how old I was. Nine years. of data |
| here that is unsearchable. I can open up a page |
| and read what I thought, but this is basically |
| unsearchable because it’s here. And it’s unreadable, |
| too, because it’s in my writing. Right. What’s that |
| movie and the book and everything, The Meaning |
| of Everything? I don’t know that. With Mel Gibson. |
| It’s about how the Oxford Dictionary came to |
| be. Oh, is that what that is? No, that was The |
| Professor and the Madman. Yeah. Simon Winchester |
| is the professor and he wrote another book called |
| The Meaning of Everything. Like they’re both |
| hand in hand. Okay. That’s what that is. Professor |
| and the Madman. That’s the story of that. Yeah. |
| They didn’t have a control F to find all of the |
| words in all of the books. So they had to send |
| out, they sent out to everybody, put it in the |
| newspaper, I think, calling for people to send |
| in definition, like where they saw these words. |
| That’s what they did. If you read this word in |
| a book. Where in literature. Yeah. Show me the |
| book. Tell me where it was used in literature. |
| And that’s where they based that dictionary from |
| was literary sources. Was how the words were |
| used. That’s kind of like what you’re doing in |
| your books there, your notebooks. You’re seeing |
| interesting things in what you’re reading and |
| then you write it down. But now you have to tear |
| out the pages and sort them. You have to. You |
| have to put them into their cubbies, A, B, C, |
| D, you know, like it’s, how do you, how do you |
| do that? This is what I’ve been working with |
| and it’s why it comes up as a topic is because |
| I’m trying to figure out how to, how to do that. |
| One way I thought when I finished this learning |
| journal one, I have a bookmark in here for where |
| I am reading it. So it just becomes part of my |
| reading thing. I’m on page 34 in this book. Of |
| other books. So I’m reading my book again just |
| to remind me of what I thought at the time and |
| what books I was reading and what books, what |
| it made me think. That takes a long time to do. |
| Yeah. It keeps you. Here’s an interesting thing, |
| too, is I find we’re reading again a book that |
| we’re going to discuss in a little while. This |
| Seven Habits of Highly Effective. So we’re reading |
| it on purpose so that we can discuss it and outline |
| it and identify all the pieces and how it affects. |
| It’s interesting to me. I probably read it. Well, |
| when it came out, when the book came out, I read |
| it first, but we’ll talk about that at another |
| time. The interesting part to me is I find that |
| the phrases, the ideas, the topics have been |
| inculcated into my life so that they’re just |
| me. They’re words that I use now. They’re things |
| that I’ve said. I realize I’ve said that for |
| the last 10 years, you know, and the book came |
| out. 30 years ago. You know, I’m reading another |
| book that I borrowed from you right now that |
| I’m, I’m recognizing that too. A lot of the stuff |
| in this book is stuff that you have taken to |
| be who you are. Yeah. Yeah. I commonly do. So |
| it’s just, it’s just who I, who I, I become that |
| because I’ve read it and probably be because |
| I’ve wrote, written it. I, when I, you wrote |
| it, you took notes. I took notes on it, and I |
| said, this is what it means to me, and this is |
| how I want to adjust, and this is how I’ve adjusted, |
| apparently. These things that I’m reading that |
| I don’t recall reading, but I say, you know, |
| that’s exactly the way I feel about it. And I |
| feel about it because I inculcated it. I’m using |
| that word. It’s an important word. Inculcate? |
| Inoculate? No. Yeah, well, kind of. Inculcate |
| just means that you’re using what you, it becomes |
| you. Okay. You make an integral part of your |
| life, of your thoughts. It’s easy to search things |
| that become inculcated in an integral part of |
| your life because you just know that. You know |
| that, I don’t know, what do I know? It’s better |
| to be happy than sad. You know that. Not choose |
| to be a victim. Where we talked about victim, |
| it’s better to be a creator than a victim. Create |
| something out of what you think you’re a victim |
| in. things to learn, and it’s worthy to talk |
| about things, to discuss them. It’s not an argument. |
| It’s a discussion, and it’s an agreement. You’re |
| searching for agreement, not searching for argument. |
| So what’s the appropriate way to do that? It |
| takes a long time to read back through what you’ve |
| written for the number of years that I’ve written, |
| 40 years worth of writing that I try to decipher. |
| And whether the word said inequity or inequality |
| or ingenuity, I don’t know what that word really |
| is. It says something close to that because it |
| looks like. It starts with an I and ends with |
| a Y. And there’s a Y at the end. But all the |
| stuff in between, I’m not really sure. Yeah. |
| I was going to say you could scan all of your |
| papers and have artificial intelligence. I mean, |
| Adobe has been recognizing words in text for |
| a while. I know that if I opened up a PDF file |
| in Adobe Reader, then it’ll say, do you want |
| to convert this to searchable text? That’s just |
| what it can do. Anyway, so I was going to suggest |
| that maybe you could do that, but your handwriting |
| is so atrocious that it wouldn’t. recognize anything |
| in there. It would have to learn your handwriting |
| first. Correct. But it could do that. And that’s |
| the story about this Doge, one of the guys, and |
| I don’t know his exact name, but he has a documentary |
| about how he became famous and became a genius |
| PhD student at Harvard or Yale or somewhere. |
| One of the Doge guys? Yeah, one of those guys. |
| The big balls guy, I think, is who it is. The |
| big balls guy. Does he show his balls to everyone? |
| No. I’m not familiar with this. That’s his handle. |
| That’s his handle. And that’s how Elon took on |
| hairy balls and became, you know, there’s a big |
| thing about that. Really? Yeah. What a world. |
| Big balls guy. Yeah. What a world. And he’s 19 |
| or 18 or something, but he broke a code on a |
| burned out. papyrus from 4 ,000 years ago. That’s |
| the same guy? Yeah, he had AI help him do that. |
| He wrote the model for AI to decipher this. It |
| was a burned piece of papyrus or something, a |
| burned old document, and he interpreted it. He |
| found the interpretation by using AI. Yeah, and |
| it was scrolled up and everything. I heard that |
| story. I didn’t know he was also connected to |
| Elon. Yeah, he is. And that’s why he became famous. |
| That’s why he was invited in because he won all |
| this acclaim for being that amazing. So whoever |
| he is, and maybe we’ll identify who he is, but |
| it’s a pretty cool documentary talking about |
| how he did it. But someone could take, I mean, |
| if, if I had the, and I’m sure the AI is going |
| to be easy enough to access before long, if not |
| now to copy each of those pages and say, understand |
| this writing and it will understand it very good. |
| And it probably would be able to decipher. between |
| the three I, beginning I and ending Y words that |
| really make sense in that sentence. Right. But |
| what if it takes all of this knowledge that it |
| gains from your writing and it flags you as a |
| criminal and then it decides… That’s minority |
| report. It decides that you have to be jailed. |
| You have to be incarcerated because of these |
| ideas that you’re holding. Or… Or what if it |
| takes your handwriting and someone hacks into |
| the system and steals your handwriting and makes |
| all kinds of stuff that look like it’s from you |
| and it’s provable because it’s your handwriting. |
| That’s how we prove if you wrote it or not because |
| your signature is on it. And now you’ve been |
| proven to be saying like, yeah, you’re plotting |
| evil deeds. And it’s provable because it’s written |
| here in your handwriting. That’s the minority |
| report, the computers. This is the singularity, |
| technological singularity in minority report |
| where the computer knows your intent and knows |
| that this is the first action that’s going to |
| end in this action two years down the road, and |
| we’re going to stop it right now. So stopping |
| it there, if they identify that I’m writing something |
| that’s going to turn me into Hitler or a Hitlerite |
| person. You know, these are the things that built |
| Hitler and built Marx, Karl Marx, and built Stalin. |
| We don’t want to build those guys again. Yeah, |
| we don’t want to build those guys again. We see |
| it in your writing. You have to be eliminated. |
| Yeah, so that’s the fear about doing something |
| like that. Right, and that’s the fear, and we |
| talked about that in the singularity idea. I’m |
| not afraid of that whatsoever. I know. I know |
| you’re not. It’s the fear. And we talked about |
| that in our privacy episode as well, is how much |
| are you supposed to be afraid of someone else |
| using your information or finding you or doing |
| ill to you? Faith is the other side of that. |
| I don’t think that the system, well, like the |
| IRS, we deal with the IRS all the time. And people |
| are afraid of how they’re filing their taxes |
| because you don’t want to tell them something |
| they don’t need to know. Or maybe they’re going |
| to audit me. question whether I have the receipts |
| in the right shoebox. It doesn’t matter. When |
| they question you, they’ll come up with the answer. |
| It’s not necessarily, not that something is hypothetical. |
| You came up with a couple of hypotheticals there. |
| You don’t need to answer every hypothetical you |
| can think of. And you’d waste, we waste more |
| time trying to answer the hypotheticals than |
| just dealing with the life that you have. Well, |
| I think that is addressed in the embrace the |
| suck. book that I finished reading. He talks |
| about moving, I think, I think it’s in that book, |
| where you are preparing to do something big, |
| like give a presentation or start a business |
| or things like that, you know, and where you’re |
| hesitant to do it. Yeah, you’re hesitant to do |
| it. It scares you. And so what you have to do |
| is identify everything that could go wrong. and |
| figure out how you’re going to deal with that. |
| And then you feel prepared and you can go and |
| do it. You plan for the best and prepare for |
| the worst, I think is what they say. Instead |
| of just taking life as it comes, you do have |
| to say, well, what happens? What am I going to |
| do if I use AI to do something and somehow I’m |
| harmed by it? You do have to do that. I think |
| you do have to do it. I think it’s the smart |
| way to go. Okay. And this connects back to Byron |
| Katie’s work. The work that we just talked about |
| is what’s the worst thing that can happen? Not |
| what’s the worst thing that can happen. What’s |
| true. What is the question? What is true? Who |
| are you because if the opposite is? Because you |
| believe this. Yeah. Yeah. Who are you because |
| you believe this? Who would you be if you didn’t |
| believe this? You need to pay attention up to |
| that far. You need to determine real quickly. |
| And those are four questions. Determine real |
| quickly whether it’s something you even want |
| to be concerned with. Yeah. Yeah. Her book, her |
| whole book is titled Loving What Is. So you may |
| as well love what is. Rather than loving what |
| you expect may happen. All of the things that |
| can keep you locked into not accomplishing something, |
| delaying action. Just take action. So it is, |
| hypotheticals are there. You can do that, but |
| it shouldn’t take a long time. It shouldn’t bog |
| you down. Yeah, don’t get bogged down, of course. |
| But you do have to prepare, I think. You presented, |
| yeah, your preparation. So you presented a good |
| example of what I’m trying to talk about today |
| in saying, I think it’s in that book, Embrace |
| the Suck. What gets you to… To know that that’s |
| where it is. And is it necessary? Maybe it’s |
| not necessary to know exactly where it is and |
| it’s on page 45. If we had, what do they call |
| that type of memory? Photographic memory, I think. |
| Yeah. So that you know exactly where everything |
| was that you saw and you have that. I don’t know |
| anyone personally that has that type of memory. |
| I’ve heard about it. They write stories about |
| it. But I don’t know that that really exists. |
| You can have it actively in your brain all the |
| time, exactly where you read it and what page |
| it’s on. That on page 52 in Seven Habits of Highly |
| Effective People, it talks about this. I know |
| there’s something on page 52, but I don’t know |
| what it is now. But which edition are we talking |
| about, right? Right. It’s my page 52. Yeah. Page |
| 52 of the first edition. Yeah. Of the book that |
| I’m looking at. So I know that I can go to page |
| 52 and there’ll be something valuable there, |
| but I’m not going to do it. Right. The problem |
| is, how can you find that? You’d have to be diligent |
| in writing it down. One thing I find useful in |
| my, I don’t know if this is true in your copy. |
| What? My copy of the Seven Habits book, there |
| is an index at the end of it. And I have been |
| using that. And I have found that it’s not exactly |
| comprehensive. I’ve had to add page numbers to |
| topics, even. But when I write it in there. And |
| I look at the index, I’m like, oh, yeah, there’s |
| that one I added. That’s probably important, |
| you know? Yes. And I’ve written some numbers |
| in the index, too, additional words. But I have |
| my own index on the front. Yeah. And I’ve always |
| done that with books. I know. I know. Putting |
| your own index. Every book I read has my own |
| index in the front of it. That’s always intimidated |
| me. I’ve always wanted to be able to do that. |
| But it’s like, I don’t know, I have a hard time |
| believing in myself, knowing that I can come |
| up with the accurate topic word to put there. |
| That it’s going to be good enough? That it’s |
| going to be good enough. Right, right. Like maybe |
| I’m going to write it and then I’m going to look |
| at it 10 years later and think, what was I thinking |
| there? That’s not even right. That’s not even |
| useful. And that’s fine if it’s not useful, but |
| it was where you were thinking at the time. So |
| it’s a history. It’s what is. It’s embracing |
| what is now. Okay. What is, is this. See, the |
| word on page 52 is iterative. These little processes |
| that we go into, and I didn’t even put it in |
| my index here, so I’m going to add it. To iterate, |
| it’s doing it over and over again. But every |
| time you iterate something, you’re advancing. |
| That’s maybe another word we can talk about sometime. |
| Iterate and reiterate, it’s saying again. Yeah, |
| well, again and again. I mean, that’s a redundant |
| phrase of iterate. Iteration means reiterate |
| already. Iterate means reiterate? Right. So there’s |
| no first iterate of something? Iteration. You |
| have a first iteration, then a reiteration of |
| it? That’s what I think. I think iterate doesn’t |
| necessarily mean repeated. I don’t know. And |
| if we were writing that dictionary, we could… |
| We could do it. I think iterate does mean repeat. |
| Perform or utter repeatedly. Yeah, you’re right. |
| It looks like. Yeah, it’s utter repeat. So an |
| iteration is just going back over. It’s a cycle. |
| And so you’re going to redo it. It’s putting |
| every book, if you start writing that thing in |
| the front, that index in the front, and I put |
| it in the front. Some people put it in the back. |
| The index is in the back of a book. You can put |
| it wherever you want. But if you do that, or |
| if you start writing your thoughts about the… |
| 20 pages or two pages or five pages you just |
| read in another book. That inculcates it. That’s |
| the part of inculcation is you need to think |
| about it, put it in your own words, then it becomes |
| yours. It cements it into your being, into your |
| life. And we just talked about iteration again. |
| And so in my brain, iteration on page 52 of my |
| book or in that chapter, it’s described there |
| in Stephen Covey’s words. And then I put my own |
| understanding on top of it. And I believe it’s |
| always a positive iteration. You can’t iterate |
| negatively. No? Okay. But that’s something we’ll |
| have to talk about at another time. Anytime you |
| iterate, you’re iterating to a positive side. |
| You wouldn’t iterate a failure. You would stop |
| the iteration. As soon as you saw that it hurt |
| worse, you wouldn’t do it again. You only iterate |
| to the positive. And every time you iterate, |
| it’s more positive and more positive. That’s |
| the virtuous cycle of iteration. Okay. That’s |
| another idea though. This concept of searchable |
| thoughts and searchable ideas, is it useful? |
| I believe it really is. Being able to find your |
| thoughts, the source of your thoughts maybe, |
| and being able to, yeah, you find it and then |
| you’re able to explore more around it, whatever |
| somebody else said about it. Yeah, and that’s |
| the word iteration. You can iterate that thought, |
| that individual thought I had 30 years ago when |
| I first wrote it in here, or 13 in the books |
| I’m currently looking at. But I wrote things, |
| I’ve got boxes of papers that I wrote in the |
| 90s and the 80s. When I was in college, I’ve |
| got things of that 40 years ago. And I get to |
| deal with all of it after you die. Yeah. Unless |
| you do something about it. Unless you get AI |
| to look at it and put it together and piece it |
| together so it can be searchable, then you can |
| say iteration. When did he start thinking about |
| that? And you’ll find a thing in 1984, the first |
| time I wrote about it. But then I’m just a nobody. |
| It doesn’t matter what I write about. I’m not |
| a professor or a madman, so I can’t write a dictionary. |
| That’s not… So what’s the use? What’s the use? |
| Yeah. Is it valuable? If it’s valuable for you, |
| it’s valuable, I think. Well, and especially |
| since now you’re a podcaster, I think it is even |
| more valuable now because of that. To see how |
| this developed or started. I mean, the things |
| that I’ve identified that are part of my life, |
| it’d be nice to know, was it just out of this |
| Stephen Covey book or what other books did it |
| relate to? So that’s part of the searching idea. |
| The tags, which other books did I read and how |
| long ago did I write about it that it started |
| becoming part of me and who I am? So that’s one |
| reason it would be useful. Another reason would |
| be you could use it in composing new ideas. You’re |
| referencing old ideas or iterating things. It’s |
| a way to iterate. Yeah, you can use it to identify |
| who you are and where you came from, you know, |
| but also identify further things. Does that make |
| sense? Like writers, writers definitely use notes |
| all over the place. I’m astounded at how many |
| notes I’ve heard some writers take, the writer’s |
| journals and stuff like that. We went to a storytelling |
| festival kind of recently and the storyteller, |
| one of the storytellers we listened to said he |
| keeps a notebook next to his phone. Maybe, maybe |
| not next to his phone because I think he has |
| a cell phone, but like before cell phones, like |
| he… He had a notebook and he’s probably got |
| it everywhere he goes, but he takes notes in |
| it with every conversation that he has and uses |
| those notes in his stories. If he didn’t write |
| them down, if he didn’t write any of that down, |
| then it would be much harder to be a successful |
| storyteller. I mean, you’d be telling stories |
| of whatever you make up instead of real life, |
| I guess. Writing down is important in that. In |
| that respect, then being able to find it. If |
| he has it in a notebook, how did he say he searches |
| it? Is it searchable? How does he know that he |
| wrote it? Maybe he does read his notebook just |
| like you read yours a little bit. Reads it as |
| another book in his cycle. Yeah. Or maybe because, |
| I mean, there’s this bullet journal idea that, |
| and I think in the Franklin Covey planners based |
| on Stephen Covey’s habit number three. Or whatever, |
| you know, I know, I remember you and mom had |
| Franklin Covey planners and there were like symbols |
| that you would put next to your events and make |
| it so that you can just flip through it and look |
| for the symbol, you know, and bullet journal |
| people use colors and symbols and they punch |
| holes in the corners of their journals, like |
| the pages, so that they can just flip to find |
| the one with the star punch out of it. there’s |
| that idea, you know? So, I mean, you can make |
| it easier to find by using things like that, |
| writing in the margins, but it’s still not the |
| best method, I think. I don’t know. The best |
| method. I don’t know there is a best method. |
| Maybe not. The reason, part of the reason that |
| I agree to writing in books and writing these |
| other journals behind the book, you know, when |
| I have an idea that I want to think about, I’ve |
| got a place to put it. isn’t that I’m going to |
| necessarily read it again there, but that it |
| becomes part of me as I’m writing it. You make |
| the note, like that inculcation. I don’t know |
| if on page 52 he even said inculcate. Not inculcate. |
| He said, what was the word? Iterate. Whatever |
| it is. Spiral upward. He didn’t say iteration. |
| He’s talking about the upward spiral of growth. |
| Upward spiral of growth. And that means iteration |
| to me. So I put iterative. He called it an upward |
| spiral of growth. And that to me means iterative. |
| So I put the word iterative. And that means more |
| to me. And so I know that he talks about that |
| concept, not without that specific word. And |
| by writing it down, you cemented it into your |
| being. Right. It becomes that. And automatically |
| a few minutes ago, I knew it was important, but |
| I didn’t know what it was. Now I know what it |
| is. Now from now on, in my brain, in my Google |
| memory, active. It’s probably going to be, there’s |
| always on that page, it’s going to be a description |
| of iterative without him saying it. The other |
| thing I learned from this time reading through, |
| gosh, we’re talking about that book. I don’t |
| want to talk too much about that, but he references |
| Viktor Frankl three or four times. He never quotes |
| Viktor Frankl. He never quotes him directly. |
| So in Viktor Frankl’s work, it doesn’t say what |
| he’s using. He’s summarizing and putting his |
| own words on top of Viktor Frankl’s work. Okay. |
| He does quote a lot of other people, but why |
| does he not ever directly quote Frankl? Because |
| Frankl wasn’t succinct enough like that. Okay. |
| That’s what I’m thinking. Frankl just wasn’t |
| a good writer. You’re right. Maybe. He consolidated |
| the concept into words that he could say in one |
| sentence because he was writing a book. Yeah. |
| So certainly. Okay. Okay. So that’s the first |
| thing. Writing it down. With your pen is a way |
| of cementing it into who you are. And do you |
| think, I mean, I’ve heard that handwriting, writing |
| it down like that is actually better for that |
| type of thing than typing into a note system. |
| Because somehow your hand and moving, the kinetic |
| movement of your hand and the page makes it more |
| you. Yeah, it makes it. more solid if you remember |
| it better. But then they also say, you know, |
| if you had a special scent that you were smelling |
| while you were doing that too, then every time |
| you smell that scent, then you’ll remember what |
| it was. There’s areas in my workplace that I |
| remember listening to Stephen King book while |
| I was vacuuming this one area of the place. And |
| now I don’t vac, that’s not my job. my duty there |
| anymore, vacuuming that area. But anytime I’m |
| walking by that area, I remember vacuuming and |
| I remember that section of the Stephen King book. |
| Like it’s cemented. Because of the smell. Yeah, |
| the smell and what I was doing. And I mean, everything |
| together comes together. Every time I’m in that |
| spot, I remember that part of the Stephen King |
| book. And there is the medical, the tapping, |
| tapping idea. Tap your head. There’s a book that |
| I have talking about the secrets of the millionaire |
| mind. Is that it? Let’s see if that’s it. Place |
| your hand on your heart and say, I commit to |
| being rich. Touch your head and say, I have a |
| millionaire mind. And it’s consistently throughout |
| this book, Harv Eker, Secrets of the Millionaire |
| Mind, and he uses that because you want to make |
| it in your heart. So you touch your heart, I’m |
| doing this, and touch your head, and that cements |
| that statement in your brain. And that’s something |
| you never do other times, except, I mean, you |
| put your hand over your heart when the flag goes |
| by. And you touch your head when you’ve got a |
| headache. Put your hand on your heart. That’s |
| just saying you’ve got to be American. You’ve |
| got to be patriotic. Maybe they’re trying to |
| make us do stuff. Which is actually kind of what |
| I think. I think it’s a way to get everyone doing |
| the same thing, feeling like they’re part of |
| the community. And so they’re going to act like |
| they’re part of a community if they’re doing |
| that. Right. And maybe it’s a good thing. So |
| that’s probably a good thing. There’s nothing. |
| Unless you’re German. Okay, now the modern day |
| Germans, they’re fine probably. They’re okay, |
| yeah. Or Ukrainian. No, the Ukrainians are fine. |
| I don’t know who. Who can we be? North Korea. |
| North Korean. Getting some value of that. So |
| you do have triggers. Triggers to your memory, |
| to your catalog. And this is kind of a catalog |
| of what we know. and what makes us, what we should |
| be able to be searched for. Maybe before I talk |
| about the catalog idea fully, there’s other books |
| that I’ve written into. We talked about dream |
| books a while ago where I had a dream. I found |
| my other book, this one, the first writing in |
| it was 2014. So I think the one that I looked |
| at was 21 is where this one started. 21 was my |
| first dream in this book. 23, actually. And I’ve |
| got a lot of this book to fill up still. And |
| I’ve written two more dreams since the one that |
| we talked about. Two more lucid dreams? But it’s |
| full of dreams. It’s full of things. So I can, |
| more lucid dreams. Well, yeah, lucid dreams, |
| because that’s why you can write about it. More |
| dreams that meant something to me. I’m going |
| to read one, just for the fun of it. December |
| 15th, December 11th of 2015, 6 .14 a .m. I dreamed |
| last night that I had a, had grown a bit, a bit |
| of a very long arm. Can’t even read your handwriting. |
| Yeah, that’s why this is fun. I had grown or |
| built or built. I had grown or built a very long |
| arm that I used to encircle my wife and my kids. |
| I used it to protect them and to cover them. |
| But my wife didn’t seem to pay much attention |
| to it or even be aware it was there. Nevertheless, |
| I continued to cover or protect her with my long |
| arm. That’s nice. So even though she wasn’t aware |
| of it, my kids weren’t aware of it, I knew that |
| I built a long arm around. So it probably has |
| a very important, well, it is. It seems, it feels |
| good. And that’s just a sample so I can remember |
| that. It’s a long arm that you circle around |
| people. And that was 2015. That was 10 years |
| ago. 10 years ago, I built this arm. I have a |
| dream that I would like to share with you from |
| my dream journal. I’ve only written two dreams |
| in here. This one’s a short one from 2015. All |
| right. I’m in sacrament meeting for the first |
| time in a long time. They say the sacrament prayer. |
| and instead of bread, everyone gets a cinnamon |
| roll with cream cheese frosting in a plastic |
| container. But we only get a plastic spoon to |
| eat it with. So what does that mean, hmm? And |
| that’s all you wanted to write about it at the |
| time. Yeah. It means you should have written |
| more things so that you could describe. I mean, |
| the questions I have. Do you have any questions |
| about it? Yeah. Why a plastic spoon? Why was |
| I concerned that it was a plastic spoon? What’s |
| the difference about a plastic spoon? Well, I |
| feel like maybe it should have been a fork, but |
| you could eat a cinnamon roll with a spoon. Yeah, |
| that it should have been a fork. How big was |
| the cinnamon roll covered with cream cheese frosting? |
| That’s what I’m wondering too. Yeah. I don’t |
| remember. I don’t remember that part of the dream. |
| Yeah, I would have. See, lucid dreaming, I would |
| have asked that question. How big is this? And |
| how, you know, does it take two guys to carry |
| that basket? Yeah. How did they get the basket |
| with those big cinnamon rolls for 200 people? |
| And maybe there was only five people there. Maybe. |
| Those questions, you start, yeah, you ask that |
| in your dream. And you start looking around. |
| That’s lucid dreaming. Start looking around. |
| And I think in that one that I read, I don’t |
| know that I built it or grew it. But it was an |
| arm that I controlled, clearly. I controlled |
| the arm. It was yours. It encircled my family |
| and my wife. You’ve got your dream notebook and |
| you’ve got your other, your learning journal |
| is what you called it. Yeah, learning journal |
| is what I’m writing. Dream book, dream journal. |
| And I have different just life journals that |
| are there too. And you’ve got a billion papers |
| that you just take notes on everything. If you |
| look at my desk, there’s papers everywhere. In |
| every conversation, like you said, you’re a writer. |
| Every time I talk to somebody, I write the information |
| on a paper and I don’t have it electronically. |
| I can’t search it, but I have, you know, and |
| this is clients, this is business stuff, business |
| stuff, but everything is just written on papers. |
| And so I can scan back through that page and |
| where I wrote it. And I remember writing it. |
| So it means I know where I can find that bit |
| of information. And I have paperclips collating |
| a number of things that deal with one person |
| or one situation. But then I have this. Usually |
| I can do it on one page. So I just have one page |
| for this guy and I’m actively working on his |
| stuff and it’s all on that page. And I’ve filled |
| in tiny spaces and I have tiny spaces written |
| on the side because I had something else to say |
| and it’ll fit right here in this little spot. |
| I fit it in that little spot instead of adding |
| another page. So papers everywhere, that’s active |
| life. But when I have an idea, I’ve got a box |
| that has ideas in it. Your idea box? That I’ve |
| written out. Yeah, it’s an idea. spare papers, |
| but at least I found a box to put it in. That’s |
| my active one. And I’ve got two piles sitting |
| over there, two piles there, one up on the shelf, |
| a whole box of things from the last four or five |
| years. Well, it seems like you are kind of categorizing |
| your papers into piles. Well, they’re not, they’re |
| not, they’re piled. They’re still chronological. |
| So this box is just my current chronology and |
| it goes one, two, three, four, five. That fifth |
| one is. is way old stuff, but I’ve looked through |
| it a couple of times, and I’m still keeping the |
| things, but I’ve never organized it into a file |
| box. Yeah, how would you even do that? That’s |
| probably why I’m asking this question, why I’m |
| working on this, is I’ve got all this stuff, |
| I know that it’s here, and it’s in paper just |
| stacked. How do I organize it so that it’s accessible? |
| So that’s the catalog idea. Yeah, that’s the |
| catalog idea. Yeah. The only way I can find anything |
| in that stack is to go down into that stack and |
| look at everything and then see if there’s anything |
| that I needed. Oh, yeah. Right. So I think another |
| question to ask is how can you do it without |
| purchasing a bunch of stuff to help you with |
| it? Like, are you able to organize, categorize |
| all of these without buying thousands of index |
| cards and little index card holders? And a shelf |
| to put that on, you know? Talk about that. Because |
| that’s the library. A library is organized with |
| a card catalog. And when I was a kid, you’d go |
| to the card catalog and you’d thumb through them. |
| Now you don’t do that anymore. Yeah, that stopped |
| before I started going to the library, even. |
| Yeah. It was electronic at that point. The term |
| is OPAC, which means online something. I didn’t |
| write it on my page here. What is the term? Is |
| it OPAC? O -P -A -C. OPAC. Library Search for |
| Keywords. I don’t know what OPAC stands for, |
| but O -P -A -C. Online. Golly. It is the exact |
| term, but I forgot to write what it meant. OPAC. |
| Online Public Access Catalog. That’s what it |
| stands for. Okay. It’s the Online Public Access |
| Catalog for libraries. And maybe it’s all of |
| them, or maybe each library has their own online |
| public access. Well, there’s a, I mean, all the |
| libraries use the Dewey Decimal System. Every |
| book has its own number. And the Library of Congress |
| keeps every one that’s published. So there is |
| a library that has every published book. Every, |
| yeah. But inside your library, you could do a |
| card catalog in your house. And that may be useful |
| for me because I have 3 ,000 or 10 ,000 books. |
| They’re on every shelf. And I put this new shelf. |
| I’m going to fill it up with my books. It’d be |
| interesting if I could card catalog that. I don’t |
| know if I want to use the Dewey Decimal System |
| or some other system. I’ve heard three or four |
| systems on cataloging the books that you have. |
| And I think I’d want to use some other system |
| on how important they are. Or some people have |
| organized it based on the date of written, the |
| date it was written. And, you know, that’s valuable. |
| And maybe I’ll still categorize generally early |
| writings before 1600. And then the 1600s, 1700s |
| books, and then 1900s books, and 1800 books, |
| and then 1950s and 1970s, something like that. |
| Some limitation to that. I do have, I mean, I |
| started doing this at some point. I’ve got some |
| files in here. I have on my chair about 100 files, |
| just in a envelope file folder. And I’ve got |
| a file cabinet. And there’s another file cabinet |
| out in the storage that’s a four drawer file |
| cabinet. I could file all this stuff. in those |
| words, and then I’d have an easy place to search |
| alphabetically for ideas, concepts of my papers. |
| Well, what if your paper has four different concepts |
| on it? Do you have to cut it up, paste it on |
| other papers? Do you make a copy and put a copy |
| of that page in each concepts folder? Oh, and |
| I have a question. Do you think Manila folder |
| is just like Kleenex? Like that’s the brand? |
| First brand of folders. And that’s why they’re |
| called Manila folders. Or is it the color? But |
| that’s, they kind of look, you know, they’re |
| beige, but I always thought they were vanilla, |
| vanilla folders. Yeah, maybe Manila was the first |
| company that put them together. I don’t know. |
| I’m Googling it. Look that up. Look that up and |
| see. Where did that word come from? Why do they |
| call it Manila folders? Manila component of the |
| name originates from Manila hemp, named after |
| Manila, the capital of the Philippines. So Manila |
| hemp was the main material for Manila folders |
| before they started just making them out of paper. |
| So they used to have Manila envelopes and Manila |
| paper as well. Interesting. So it is kind of |
| like Kleenex in that respect. Kind of. It was |
| the brand. It was the brand of the thing they |
| were using. Well, yeah, Manila. Manila hemp suggests |
| it’s a plant. So I don’t know. But yeah. Well, |
| hemp is a plant. Manila hemp is specifically |
| from the Philippines. Yeah. The Filipino hemp. |
| Yeah. Yeah. That was the preferred hemp of the |
| day. So a catalog system would help you be able |
| to identify. Yeah. So my question, though, was |
| how do you split if your paper has four different |
| categories on it, then… What do you do at that |
| point? That’s like a logistic issue, I guess. |
| So the question is, do you want all of those |
| files in your house? Yeah, well, the topics, |
| that’s like keywords. If you write an article, |
| it’s going to have six or eight tab tags in it. |
| Six or eight different tags, you know, different |
| ideas, different concepts that connect. It would |
| seem if I wanted to maintain it, if you want |
| to maintain your system manually, you would have |
| to copy it. And put that actual page that has |
| these six concepts on it in six different files. |
| In each of those locations. In each tag. Which |
| electronically, you don’t have to do that. Electronically, |
| you put it in your blog page and then you tag |
| six different keywords to it. And then it’s done. |
| So that’s a digital answer to the question, right? |
| Yeah. Now, I have another argument for maybe |
| why you shouldn’t do that. Don’t piece apart |
| your… collection and put them in a bunch of |
| different things because I think there’s something |
| to be said about keeping it in chronological |
| order. It’s a history. These papers are your |
| history. Yeah, you don’t want to separate it |
| and make it seem like you were thinking this |
| thing earlier than you really were. I mean, it |
| shows your evolution. So there’s a reason. Yeah, |
| and that’s the reason for putting your books |
| in chronological order. So you see this concept, |
| you know, Stephen Covey read Viktor Frankl, so |
| Viktor Frankl has to have been written before |
| Covey ever wrote it. And so you’re looking at |
| the in -time relation, and then so you could |
| look at that and you say, you know, it sounds |
| like this concept is like this other book that |
| was written 20 years earlier as well. So he references. |
| And of course, we all grow based on what we’ve |
| read from before. Yeah, maybe you bind all of |
| your papers. If you keep them all in order. You |
| bind them together, and then you just write an |
| index, like a separate index book for your papers. |
| And every time iterate comes up in your papers, |
| you write down, it’s on page 354. It’s on page |
| 52. And so you just… Creating my own book. |
| Yeah, the files, and that’s what you were talking |
| about. Writers will keep notes, and you keep |
| notes, and you compile your notes into a file |
| or a book. And then you can reference to create |
| the actual work, the final fourth, tenth version |
| that you publish of that work that you started |
| by just compiling it into books, into maybe a |
| file first. Yeah, so keeping it chronologically |
| would make sense. You strategically work your |
| life as you lived it. And as I lived it, it’s |
| there. I’ve got books from when I was in school, |
| well, in college, and then in high school even, |
| that I’ve written in. I’ve been doing this forever. |
| They’re… They’re not in my live office, but |
| they’re in the storage room. Maybe, maybe still |
| intact. Like maybe they haven’t had water damage |
| or storage rooms are dangerous places to keep |
| things. And then it would give me a chance to |
| look back at 1976 if I want to look at that year |
| and see. I mean, there’s a lot of important things |
| about 1976, but there’s specific things also |
| that I remember based on. And I probably have |
| written something about that time frame. in that |
| time frame, which would be good to reference. |
| So then what format would you keep your index |
| in? Is it a book? Is it electronic document? |
| Is it index cards? Yeah, instead of index cards, |
| because the card catalog for libraries is now |
| this online public access catalog. I’d find some |
| way to do it electronically. Yeah, it’s a lot |
| faster to type and search. Like if you have a |
| list of… 400 topics that you’ve got to put |
| stuff on. It’s much better than having a book |
| of 400 pages to flip through to find that topic, |
| right? Right. And so with that online catalog, |
| that would identify that in January of 1976, |
| I wrote about Lee Iacocca. I mean, that’s in |
| my brain, my online thing. Lee Iacocca is the |
| most important thing that happened in 1976. |
| Yeah. It would have been July or August or October |
| of that year that he said, I can’t ever run for |
| president. So I know we’ve talked about that |
| in the last little while too. So it’s been in |
| my brain. It’s been part of my life for forever. |
| But if I had the actual writing, I could put |
| that in and that references politics and it references |
| business, references bicentennial. There’s all |
| kinds of things that it could put together, but |
| on your electronic database or online database, |
| it adds that to the keyword political. So political, |
| it’s one of my political thoughts. and relates |
| to that that’s stored in 1976 file. So I can |
| actually look at the document in my 76 file or |
| book. Is there any reason why you wouldn’t do |
| that? Because it takes time. The only reason |
| is it would take time to organize. It just takes |
| too much time. I’m thinking of another book that |
| I just finished reading was the one second after |
| about the electromagnetic pulse and how everything |
| electronic was just useless at that point. You |
| lose your spreadsheet. It’s not there anymore. |
| Your index is gone. All of your papers are still |
| there. So you still have that, but you can’t |
| search them anymore. And then you lose all of |
| that time that you spent putting it together. |
| Well, even there, the backups are gone too, right? |
| Yeah, everything. The ones you printed out. If |
| you backed it up with a printout, then you’ve |
| got that. Yeah. So if it references the printout |
| and I didn’t just scan it all up and then throw |
| away all my papers, burn all my papers, as long |
| as I kept the papers. And then in that case, |
| in the fire, they completely burned and the papers |
| are gone. But I’ve got my electronic tabs that |
| said in 76, I thought political. I don’t know |
| what it says on that page because all I have |
| is a keyword. All you have is a keyword. So you |
| have to scan every paper too. We’re preparing |
| for the worst, right? Keep everything on an off |
| -site location. And these, of course, are not |
| necessarily vital, important works. Right. It’s |
| a hobby. These things that you’ve written is |
| a hobby. And it’s a hobby, though, that has meant |
| a lot. So it means a lot. And I’d like to be |
| able to search it. And I’m thinking about that |
| dream that I read. I can piece together a lot |
| of things that I’ve done that are the… realization |
| of that dream. That arm, right? So that arm 10 |
| years ago is effective and it’s still effective |
| now. I’m still, I’m using it. That’s why we talk. |
| Unfortunately, you’re inside that arm. Unfortunate |
| or fortunate. And maybe you’ve learned that and |
| you’ve circled the arm around me and said, let’s |
| have these conversations. It just makes sense. |
| It just makes sense. Yeah, maybe. So it doesn’t |
| lose importance. Yeah. Are we talking about? |
| the logistics of this index, or are we talking |
| about why you would have an index? Both of those. |
| I mean, the logistics is the fact there’s catalogs |
| and they exist for a purpose. They exist so you |
| can find something, so you can write. I mean, |
| if you’re ever going to put together a report |
| or formulate a new idea, a new concept, it’s |
| like you said, there’s new growth that needs |
| to come out of everything that you’ve done before. |
| In order to do that, you have to reference it. |
| That’s the only thing that you can grow out of. |
| I mean, it’s the seeds and the fertilizer and |
| everything. It’s the seeds. You can’t grow a |
| plant without the seeds. So if you don’t have |
| the seeds of everything that you’ve done before, |
| there’s nothing to grow anyway. Right. And it’s |
| just like that word, what did I iterate? Iterative. |
| If I didn’t have that in my brain, I couldn’t |
| have said, this means it, the way Steve Covey |
| wrote his phrases. You can’t tie that together. |
| It’s the building of life, tying words and concepts |
| together. And then I want to be able to search |
| it. Yeah. Being able to search it is, I think, |
| valuable. There’s writing it down. There’s documenting |
| what’s happening. But then if you can’t do anything |
| with that, then it’s practically pointless to |
| even write it down in the first place, right? |
| If you can’t access it. Yeah. If you can’t use |
| it, if it’s inaccessible. That’s automatic. Automatically |
| that has value. And that’s the only value I’ve |
| been using in my life up to this is writing it |
| down. The value of it is it helps you inculcate |
| it in your life by putting your words on top |
| of it, by restating it in your own words and |
| restating with your own pen. So that value is |
| automatic. That’s why I’ve done it for 50 years. |
| But now the second value, the second way to use |
| that is what I’m considering now is how can I |
| go back and search that? How can I be? more efficient |
| in what I remember that I did rather than just |
| open a book randomly or look into a stack randomly |
| and find something. Well, you could do that. |
| You could do it that way. Just fly by the spirit, |
| I guess, inspiration. Close your eyes and say, |
| this is, it’s in here. And it’s this page, this |
| page in that stack. Happy Fall, September of |
| 21. And this is just a city newsletter. So I |
| didn’t write it and it gets ripped up and thrown |
| in the trash. Oh, but wait. That’s part of organizing. |
| Don’t throw it away. You shouldn’t have just |
| thrown it away. That’s history. Okay, yeah. It’s |
| history for the people who wrote the newsletter, |
| though. It’s not history for me because I didn’t |
| make any notes on it. Things that I made notes |
| on, I have to keep because that’s my history. |
| Well, why did you keep it in the first place? |
| That was four years ago. Right. Because it was |
| in that stack. That stack represents four years |
| ago. But when I’m making the catalog, I can determine, |
| is there something that is important to me and |
| my ego? Is it ego? Is it myself? My work? My |
| works? That I’m trying to preserve. I’m trying |
| to build. I don’t much care about building what |
| the city did four years ago. I’m caring about |
| what I built four years ago. So if my words are |
| on it, then I may want to keep it. Did you check |
| to see if you were even mentioned in it? No. |
| Well, I did read it, talked about animal permits. |
| I was part of that. My name wasn’t in it, though. |
| My name wouldn’t be. I had animal permits at |
| the time. It related to me. I could say, here’s |
| the regulation I was dealing with. They required |
| this. Okay. It would be useful to be able to |
| go back and see these. Like, yeah, to know where |
| everything is. To reference something specifically. |
| And at some point you’re referencing yourself. |
| Like you have all of these self -written papers |
| that you’ve got to reference back for yourself. |
| It’s maybe not useful for anyone else. But books |
| you read, do you include in your own index quotes |
| or ideas that you find in the books that you’ve |
| read too? That’s part of your papers. Well, that’s |
| what that whole learning journal is. The whole |
| learning journal is that concept. You’re identifying |
| what’s in the book and what it meant to you. |
| Even that page. And I’m writing it on the book |
| as well. So, you know, if you pick up a book |
| from my library, it’s written in and it has a |
| title. This is one I haven’t really done, but |
| I’ve got one item on the top of it. This is a |
| signed copy even. What do you know? And it’s |
| signed to someone else. But the author signed |
| it. You must have picked it up from DI. Yeah, |
| I picked it up at a DI or something like that. |
| And I’ve got… writing in the my writing in |
| the book as i’ve identified things huh signed |
| by the author to the author signed it to someone |
| else yeah to not me but but he signed it to Sunil |
| whoever that is together we’re better someone |
| special to him that she wasn’t special he wasn’t |
| special enough to her to keep the book so and |
| maybe she died who knows i don’t know how it |
| got to wherever i picked it up you know All of |
| these papers and these books, it would be really |
| easy for somebody, after you die, it would be |
| really easy for somebody to see it and think |
| trash and just throw it all away. Yeah, or give |
| the books to DI and then all of mine. And that |
| may be another place I need to catalog the ones |
| that are autographed by the author, because I |
| have quite a few in that category. Yeah, but |
| it would be difficult for me, I think. To throw |
| them away. Yeah, it would be. Just because we’re |
| having this conversation, so I understand this |
| is your history. All of this is you. It’s part |
| of who you are. Our conversations, now that we’re |
| recording them, will have to be around forever |
| and ever. Like I can’t, we can’t ever get rid |
| of any of these because this is who I am and |
| this is who you are, right? This is our history. |
| And so all those papers and all of the notes |
| in your books, yeah. Maybe we should. Print the |
| transcript. Print it to get it off of the… |
| To get it off the internet. Off of the second |
| after problem. We just need a Faraday cage. I |
| think that’s what it is. We have to have a hardened |
| space that’s protected from EMP that we put backups |
| into. Okay, so if that’s the case, do you not |
| think that Amazon has a Faraday cloud? Anyone |
| who has a cloud has to have a Faraday cage around |
| their material. But it’s quite possible that |
| they don’t actually. Right now, but in three |
| months after they’ve read the book, they’ll have |
| it. This book is not a new book. But they don’t |
| want to lose their data. I mean, if you’re a |
| company that’s providing storage, cloud storage |
| services, clearly you want to say an EMP pulse |
| is not going to damage your documents with us. |
| So we’re charging you $8 a month instead of $2. |
| Yeah. You and me are not paying extra money. |
| for our website or our storage. We’re not. To |
| be secure. Yeah. Right. We’re paying the very |
| littlest that we can, and a lot of the stuff |
| is free. And so it’s likely that our storage |
| spaces are not safe. Not secure. And if you could |
| find a way to micro -print the text that you’d |
| have to use a magnifying glass to read it, you |
| don’t need to use 20 pages or what each episode |
| would be. You know, an hour and a half. It’s |
| probably 80 pages if you printed it. It’s probably |
| 80 pages. Yeah. So if you could find a way to |
| micro print into just a group, that’d be something |
| to search. Yeah. To figure out if we can. That |
| way you can save it in print. You could have |
| in your fire safe or your fire. I got a file |
| cabinet that’s fireproof. Fireproof file cabinet |
| for all your very important papers. If this happens |
| to be that your history and all that stuff. So |
| in case the house does burn down, the cabinet’s |
| not going to burn. Yeah. Maybe a Faraday cage |
| wouldn’t be that hard to build, though. It’s |
| not. And so that’s why it wouldn’t be unheard |
| of that the facilities already are Faraday caged, |
| sealed. So in the book, the president and the |
| vice president die because Air Force One was |
| not hardened. They didn’t take the, they just |
| didn’t take the precaution to protect it against |
| an EMP attack. Maybe because they never thought |
| that it would happen. They didn’t think it would |
| happen. I’m looking at a Faraday cage with Amazon. |
| There’s a Quora article with the Faraday box |
| on Amazon help electronics. Faraday boxes on |
| Amazon. Oh, that’s just Faraday boxes available |
| to sell. Not whether Amazon is Faraday caged |
| there. This is talking about them specifically. |
| You can’t trust that the corporations that are |
| making money off of you are… keeping your data |
| the most secure that it can. Like you just can’t |
| trust that because. You can’t trust that they |
| will do it. Yeah. Why can’t you? Because that’s, |
| maybe it’s not profitable. Like they’d have to |
| have people concerned about that. Enough people |
| would have to be concerned about it for them |
| to make it happen. And I don’t think enough people |
| are concerned about that. Everything online. |
| here, even from AI, says they sell Faraday cages. |
| You can build it this way. You protect your own |
| stuff with a Faraday cage. It doesn’t say that |
| Amazon’s factories, their server plants are Faraday |
| safe or Faraday cages themselves. You’ve got |
| to take care of yourself too, though. Yeah. And |
| that’s still one of those hypotheticals. Right. |
| It’s implied in this book that it can happen |
| if someone decided to make it happen. It is a |
| hypothetical. Back to the topic. This is all |
| fun talking about wars and things, potential |
| things that can happen to ruin your catalog. |
| You asked the question, is it worth, would it |
| be worthwhile? No, what was your question? The |
| value of it, is there a value of cataloging your |
| life so that you can search it? There is for |
| my life, there is. I feel like it is a value. |
| And maybe that’s an individual question. Some |
| people may say. I don’t care what I did 20 years |
| ago. I don’t want to know. Never want to know. |
| Right. And maybe you still haven’t hit the amazing |
| thing that you’re going to do. Like maybe you’re |
| going to actually be a very important historical |
| figure. And these things do matter to a lot more |
| people in the future. Like Viktor Frankl, he |
| was just a nobody until he was a Holocaust survivor. |
| Right. He was a nobody professor that was working |
| on logotherapy before he went into the Holocaust, |
| but it didn’t have any impetus. It didn’t have |
| any value in it until he survived with those |
| concepts. Yeah. It was nothing until then. It |
| would have been a nobody book. It would have |
| been a nothing. It’s just another concept. But |
| since he proved it out in living experience, |
| it made sense. It then had value. So after I |
| upload all of my things and… They decide to |
| cancel me and put me in prison because of my |
| words. And then I finally get through it. Yeah. |
| Then they can see that after, you know, when |
| I’m 120 years old and I come out of prison, they |
| can say, this is how I did it. And then I can |
| write my search for meaning, man’s search for |
| meaning. But it’s valuable to me because I think, |
| I still think, and I think that thinking is important |
| and thinking and growth is important. It’s part |
| of that arm that I’m building. is the thinking |
| arm to make sure that we’re aware of each other |
| and maintaining things, maintaining thought and |
| growth. And the better way to grow is to be able |
| to point back to something in the past. Right. |
| So tell me, how is this index in your theory, |
| your idea of this index, how is it different |
| than a commonplace book? The index supersedes |
| the commonplace book. A commonplace book is a |
| piece of an index. I think my learning journal |
| is a commonplace book. Describe to me a commonplace |
| book then from your understanding. A commonplace |
| book is, in my understanding, it’s where you |
| write down what you learn, but you write it down |
| in an organized way. You don’t just write it |
| down chronologically. You read a book, and every |
| time that you find an interesting thing in there, |
| you categorize it, and then you write it on that |
| categorized page. You categorize the book and |
| write it on that categorized page? You categorize |
| the thought. the quote, the whatever it is that |
| struck you. And you, or, yeah, you, you take |
| that page 52 of the Seven Habits book, and you, |
| you knew it meant iterate to you. And so you |
| have the iterate, iteration category in your |
| book, and you write just a snippet of that, like |
| the most important part of that paragraph. And |
| you write where you saw it and what page. So |
| that in the future, when you’re trying to remember |
| all of the things that you read about iteration, |
| then you’ve got on this page in your commonplace |
| book, all of those things. It’s like a collection. |
| It’s a way to collect your thoughts and your |
| quotes, your own thoughts, but then your quotes |
| from other books that you’ve read and articles. |
| The one book that I had in high school, I was |
| collecting poems and words and articles and different |
| that meant something based on topics like that. |
| I would have honor. I mean, something I carried |
| in. Was it honor? Yeah, honor might have been |
| one of them. What’s the thing I carried in my |
| wallet for a long time? There was a quote that |
| was part of me in high school, and it was in |
| my wallet. Humility. Humility is not thinking |
| less of yourself than anyone else. It’s freedom |
| from thinking of yourself at all. I was trying |
| to learn what humility was because I claimed |
| I was conceited when I was in high school. I |
| said, well, let me just not think about myself. |
| freedom from thinking about yourself at all. |
| But that went as part of my quote under humility. |
| And I had a quote book and a poem book and there |
| were poems that I still know, probably all of |
| them in the book. Well, there’s some I can’t |
| recite the whole piece of, but some of them I |
| can. But I don’t have that book in here. That’s |
| one of the books that’s in storage because it |
| was from 30 or 40 years ago, 50 years ago. So |
| it’s in the storage boxes, but it needs to be |
| brought up to date. Those same categories as |
| a commonplace book, then? That’s essentially |
| what a commonplace book is, is where you collect |
| it categorized, like you’re already from the |
| very beginning. When you write it down, it’s |
| categorized. You don’t just write it down and |
| then categorize it later. Okay, so you categorize |
| it to start with you. You load it on the page. |
| So in your commonplace book, do you leave two |
| pages in between it, or do you do it in three |
| ring binder so you can add pages. |
| You’d have to leave space or you would have an |
| index in the front where you’re like, this page |
| is Pride. But then I filled up the page and so |
| I had to start Pride again on another page. And |
| so in the front, you’ve got your index and Pride |
| is on page one, but it’s also on page 10. And |
| it’s also on page 25. You know, like I found |
| a lot of Pride quotes. So that’s the idea of |
| your commonplace book. It’s just, it is the… |
| It’s the index. It’s the catalog of it, the index. |
| Yeah. It’s not where you write your thoughts. |
| I always thought a commonplace book was where |
| you wrote your thoughts. Oh, I see. But that’s |
| your learning journal. Right. That’s your journals. |
| That’s other things. That’s not where your thoughts |
| go. We did a thing in the family, somewhat like |
| that, where I just used these spiral binders. |
| And I don’t know if you remember this at all, |
| if you have yours. It’s a spiral binder. Did |
| it have an envelope taped in the back? An envelope |
| with questions in it. Yeah, taped envelope inside |
| of it. And there were questions. The instruction |
| and the direction I gave, and this is how I did |
| it, is you’d write a question and then allow |
| three blank pages behind it. And then write your |
| next question in the fourth page back. So you |
| have three pages to write that question and then |
| talk about it again. Anytime you’re looking at |
| this book, you’re going through the whole process. |
| And I think I have three more questions. I didn’t |
| get done. What was my first one? June of 16, |
| June of 2016. The last thing I wrote where it |
| didn’t finish was 11 of 18, November 18th is |
| when I broke out. And that was so in 2017, 2018, |
| we moved to, I bought a new house and chances |
| are this just got dropped. It was in my process |
| in the old house, bought a new house, moved to |
| it. And it was, but I found it in the files that |
| I was actively. So you leave three pages so you |
| could write a little snippet or a paragraph. |
| And that’s generally what it is. You read what |
| you wrote before and then you add to it with |
| what it means to you, what you’re learning, what |
| you’re growing with. That’s more of a learning |
| journal. So that’s not a commonplace book. That’s |
| a learning journal. Right. Yeah. So the commonplace |
| book, in my understanding, is the card catalog, |
| the index, the topical index, the topical guide. |
| It’s all. It’s exactly what a topical guide in |
| the end of the standard works for the LDS church |
| is. You’re identifying topics that you wrote. |
| It’s your taglines, your tag keywords. You have |
| a tag that you want to put on this post. And |
| maybe you do have five tags. And so in your commonplace |
| book, you identify that it’s in history and it’s |
| in politics and it’s in humility. Right. So you |
| write that thing down, all of those different |
| places. Yeah, it’s written three places. It’s |
| referenced three places. And then where you actually |
| keep it in your library is, yeah, I don’t know, |
| maybe I’ll just do that chronologically. I keep |
| it in my library. It’s in, what month are we? |
| March of 2025. Yeah. It’s in the March 2025 file. |
| Maybe, yeah. So people, historically, I know |
| that there’s some historic figures that have |
| kept a commonplace book like that. and they kept |
| it in a book. But I think today, in these days, |
| people find it more effective if they use an |
| index card and index card boxes. I think people |
| are finding that it’s easier to keep it organized, |
| to keep it up to date, if you just use a card |
| for each thing. And then you can grab, like if |
| you’re giving a speech, let’s say you’re giving |
| a lecture, then you can grab all of the cards |
| in that topic and you have them all there and |
| you can use them in your writing or you can use |
| them, you can have them there with you when you’re |
| giving the speech just in case you want to touch |
| on something else, you know? Okay, so that’s |
| still archaic, the card catalog. It is. It’s |
| index cards, right? But the thing is, that concept |
| of writing it down with your hand better cements |
| it into your brain. than if you were typing it |
| out on a computer. And so I think that’s why |
| people do the index cards and they don’t keep |
| it in Evernote or Google Keep or any of those |
| other things, because it gets lost. It’s lost. |
| I have a two terabyte Google Drive storage and |
| it’s halfway full, but it’s full of stuff that |
| I don’t even know is there, but I can’t ever |
| get rid of it because what if it’s important? |
| Like that’s a major project I have ahead of me |
| someday is going through my Google Drive to see |
| what is there. I pay $25 a year, I think. Maybe |
| it might be actually $20 a month. I don’t even |
| know how much I pay. I’m paying for this storage |
| because I can’t get rid of any of it. And so |
| it’s stored in the cloud somewhere. Yeah. I don’t |
| know what’s there. That’s the thing is it’s, |
| I saved all of these documents and screenshots |
| of important things and it’s gone. It’s like |
| I never did it because it’s all digital. It’s |
| out of sight, out of mind. It’s what it is now. |
| It’s like me picking up the thing out of that |
| stack and finding out it was something that I |
| really didn’t want. So I threw one piece away |
| out of that stack. And you can quickly delete |
| those things that aren’t important to you out |
| of that. Yeah. I can quickly do that, and I could |
| probably quickly drop things into folders of |
| categories, but then do I remember it’s there? |
| That was such a small task. I think it’s much |
| better if I would only just write it down on |
| a card, you know? Or in a book. I mean, I could |
| do it in a book. I have a book that I’ve started, |
| but… So let’s say that I created a system. |
| There’s space, and it’s a functional thing. A |
| commonplace book in cards is harder. It makes |
| sense to do your learning journals in writing. |
| You’re writing what you think about it. But to |
| identify, all you’re doing is identifying its |
| location with a commonplace book then. That is |
| your card catalog. I think it’s a waste of time. |
| It’s a waste of space and a waste of time and |
| a waste of searchability. You can’t easily search |
| that. Card catalog. If your card catalog is in |
| categories, if you’ve got a slot in a holder |
| for iterate and you’ve got another slot for pride |
| and another slot for truth. There’s no difference. |
| You think there’s a difference between that and |
| having it online, a truth category with 50 entries |
| underneath it on Evernote or something. You have |
| a truth page. Maybe. A truth page of your spreadsheet. |
| Maybe that’s just a matter of preference then |
| in that regard. Like if you prefer to write it |
| down and have it all in your hands or if you |
| prefer to have it all online. And the other thing |
| you said is you want to do it with what you have. |
| I don’t want to go out and buy 10 ,000 index |
| cards to create this topic catalog. I want to |
| create 10 ,000 lines on my spreadsheet. And each |
| line has its own topic. And then you can fill |
| in that an unlimited number of things in those |
| cells. Provided you’re always creating a copy, |
| backing it up off of that whatever device that |
| you’re doing it on. Only if you’re worried about |
| the second after. Yeah. And while there’s other |
| things too. Or not saving it. Some stupid things. |
| Yeah. Stupid things like that where it just doesn’t |
| get saved and everything gets lost. All of the |
| work that you just did. And that’s why you have |
| your backup. your two terabyte system in the |
| cloud somewhere in its non -Faraday cage so that |
| when the second after happens, you lose all that |
| anyway. I lose all of that anyway. It was never |
| worth it anyway. But at least it’s saved there |
| for now. So you save it where you can save it. |
| If I was actually gung -ho on a commonplace thing, |
| the thing with keeping a learning journal and |
| then an index separate from that is that that |
| adds a step. And I think that’s… where I would |
| get hung up and give up, maybe not give up intentionally |
| or consciously, but I’d be like, this is a lot |
| of work, so I’m going to pause. And then I just |
| don’t get back to it for 10 years. So I think |
| writing it in a book where I’ve got one page |
| is a topic. And then if I fill that page up, |
| I just start a new page for that topic later |
| on. And the index is right there in the front |
| of the book. I think that’s the way I would do |
| it. And it wouldn’t be in alphabetical order |
| because it would be as I come across them. As |
| I come across a new topic, that would be the |
| next page. Then how do you identify? You say |
| this is, and then you’d have to put an index |
| in the front of that book. Yeah, there would |
| be an index. You still have to have an index |
| somewhere that says page, like you said, page |
| five and page 19 and page 32 are pride. And these |
| are all my, because I’m so proud, my ego is so |
| big. I’ve got all kinds of things on pride. I’ve |
| got a lot of pages for pride. But yeah, so you |
| set aside. two or three pages in the front for |
| your index. And then if you need more pages, |
| maybe you just take a piece of paper and you |
| tape it in. And there’s another index page. Or |
| you could just use a binder with loose leaf lined |
| paper. And that’s your commonplace book. And |
| you could just throw papers in and you can organize |
| them. You can alphabetically… What is that |
| word? You can put it in alphabetical order. Alphabetize. |
| Alphabetize. Alphabetize. Alphabeticalize. Yeah, |
| you’re going to have another problem with this |
| English as a second language thing that you’ve |
| got going. Yes. What was my first language? I |
| don’t know. I’m looking for my study guide. I’ve |
| got a book that I’ve used to study, and I showed |
| it. Is it in storage? I’ve used it recently, |
| but I don’t know. No, because it’s something |
| that I, there it is. It’s underneath, underneath. |
| No, in that book, I was thinking there are some |
| books when I’m studying a topic, I’ll put the |
| topic in, but I put a space in the front that |
| I left two or three pages in the front of the |
| last one I did. And so these are the pages you’ll |
| find these topics on. So it’s kind of like a |
| commonplace book, but it’s the topics. But then |
| I use the book to actually write my paragraph |
| of information. I don’t know that I see is it’s |
| a personal thing that I see the value of having |
| another book just to record where things are. |
| If you’re already recording stuff into another |
| book, that would just be another step for you |
| to have to remember to do. Yeah, to categorize |
| it. So I’m writing in this study book or my dream |
| journal, and then my dream journal has these |
| three tags. And then I have to go to the next |
| book with my three tags and put it listed under |
| those three tags. I still have to do that. But |
| I’d rather instead of picking up another book |
| that I’m using shelf space for. If you’re a book |
| person, you don’t have an extra shelf space. |
| Yeah. I’ve got five categories, five categories |
| of learning journal type books anyway already. |
| Don’t want to add a sixth, but if I put a spreadsheet, |
| I’m thinking I could do it more easily on a spreadsheet |
| because each page would be maybe. I don’t know |
| what the pages are. If you use the columns for |
| the topics and then just the cells underneath |
| them as filling that topic, because you can go |
| down 4 ,000 cells. Yeah. You would have more |
| topics than you would things in each topic. If |
| you’re going to use a spreadsheet, I’d say make |
| the rows topics and then the columns are where |
| you put the stuff. That’s what I would say. Because |
| you can go to the right a lot further than you |
| go to straight down. Yeah. It’s just easier to |
| see it that way. You’re saying it’s easier to |
| see it that way with the topics straight down |
| the left side. So you can scan down that. And |
| you can sort it. Sort it based on alphabetical |
| or you say, I want to look at the R’s now. You |
| know, I’m looking for revelation. And then you’d |
| have to connect revelation to dreams and visions |
| and what’s the other word? Intuition. How do |
| you connect all those things in one? Maybe that’s |
| what you’d use the file boxes in the bottom of |
| a spreadsheet for is, these are my… General |
| generalized collected collections of topics. |
| There’s only four things there. But how would |
| you how would you start on this project? Where |
| do you where do you even begin? I’m excited about |
| it. Let me tell you what I’m excited about. You |
| just begin on a spreadsheet. You open the spreadsheet |
| up and you and you type one thing and you look |
| at this paper and this paper. Well, this paper |
| that I just wrote is my notes for this podcast. |
| So I’m going to have that in my file. And chances |
| are it’ll probably go and stay there. So it’s |
| card catalog. I may call it catalog. OPAC may |
| not be a word that I use. Probably won’t. Card |
| catalog, topical search. The title is topical |
| search. So it’d be on two things, card catalog, |
| topical search. And it’ll go in my spreadsheet. |
| And then it’ll go in the file the way I’ve kind |
| of determined. Files could be chronological. |
| The file right now is March 2025. And it just |
| drops there, but it’s on my sheet. And I don’t |
| know that it’s important, not important that |
| it’s specifically a podcast information or work |
| -related information or anything else. It’s the |
| topics are what identify it. Probably doesn’t |
| need to be separated into broader categories. |
| I’m excited to do it, but I’m not excited enough |
| to open the spreadsheet right now and put my |
| file in my file folder. No, we’ll save that for |
| later. But I can see the light. in the tunnel. |
| I mean, that’s where I had no idea what I would |
| do with this. That’s why I wanted to talk about |
| it. I wanted to talk it through with somebody |
| who was interested enough to discuss back and |
| forth and throw other ideas. You trapped me. |
| But I can see the light. You sat me down. You’ve |
| been trapped. And so we did a mastermind group |
| and we figured out some ideas, but… I can start |
| that because I can pick up one stack and all |
| I have to do is take one file of my file cabinet |
| and identify the months or years. Maybe I just |
| keep it in years to start with and then I have |
| to split it out in months because every page |
| that I ever wrote has a date on the top of it. |
| Yeah, you always date your stuff. I’ve always |
| done that. Everything’s dated so that I know |
| chronologically where it sits so that that only |
| makes sense that I’ll store it. And when I read |
| a book, when I start reading a book or have made |
| a start it, I usually date the start. when it’s |
| in my book reading system. You know, I’m really |
| excited that you’re doing this for yourself and |
| I don’t have to do it for you when you’re 95 |
| or 100. Yeah. And the whole point, I’m not necessarily |
| saying this, or we’re not talking about this |
| so that it can benefit me. It’s fun, but it benefits |
| me. But that’s not what I’m building here. That’s |
| not what we’re doing. We’re putting this in the |
| podcast. For all you folks. So the next person, |
| the world that needs changed is going to change |
| because they’ll see this concept and they’ll |
| say, I hadn’t thought about that. And I’ve got |
| all this stuff and it’s stacked up in my garage. |
| I don’t know how to do with it. Here’s an idea. |
| Here’s a possibility. And perhaps sometime later |
| we’ll report how well it’s working in our future |
| discussions. As I say, you know, that catalog |
| thing we talked about, I’m going to pull up in |
| my drawer exactly where this is because it’s |
| in my. It’s on my spreadsheet. I typed it up. |
| And as easily as we Google search what Shakespeare |
| said, I’ll be able to, on that spreadsheet, Google |
| search what I said in 2020. And maybe you’ll |
| have your own website, like just for your own |
| personal stuff that the public people can search, |
| everyone can search, and it’s where your index |
| is. You could start your own blog. So maybe there’s |
| a way to put that. Maybe there’s a place to put |
| that. If the index is just in the blog and then |
| someone can call me from Tennessee and say, you |
| know, I looked on your index and it says this |
| is in the file. Could you look in your file and |
| see if you actually have that paper? Open up |
| your file to November 1922. You’re that old. |
| 2022, this is going to be 80 years in the future, |
| right? Yeah, find the document. Find that document |
| because… I don’t believe that that really existed |
| back then. Or look in your books. You know, in |
| the publication, in the 1990 publication of Jordan |
| Peterson’s book, did it really say that? Because |
| it doesn’t say it in the current version. Yeah, |
| right? That’s another thing. Go to your shelf. |
| You can’t trust. I don’t think that you can perfectly |
| trust, you know, news pages and anything online |
| that can be edited to say something that it didn’t |
| say before. Or to not say something that it did |
| say before. You can’t trust that. I mean, I had |
| one book that I bought 20 years ago. And then |
| I just listened to it. And the audio is a different |
| book. There’s different things in the audio. |
| It’s a newer version. And as people update their |
| books and put newer versions, they add new things. |
| And so I didn’t want to buy the new version of |
| the book. But in my old book, I wrote what they |
| said and said this was added in some additional |
| version because I would have remembered that. |
| It was a topic which was shocking enough that |
| on the audio, it was completely different from |
| what I read in the book earlier. And so I went |
| back to the book and I proved it. I said, yeah, |
| that’s not here. Clearly, they added a paragraph. |
| And so I added the paragraph in my old copy. |
| Well, is there anything more for this topic? |
| I don’t have anything else on my notes. I think |
| we’ve… Gained a direction forward. The next |
| step, a light at the end of the tunnel. That’s |
| the way I look at it. There’s something I can |
| see. Do you see any light at the end of your |
| tunnel of your two terabyte mess? No. I mean. |
| Not yet. Yeah. It’s just a big ball of dark lines |
| all jumbled together and it’s moving and I still |
| can’t look at it. Okay. I have other things. |
| Until you find the process that you actually |
| want to accomplish, you’ll do it at some point |
| when you get that process in place. I think I’ve |
| identified, I appreciate you talking to me long |
| enough to identify the direction that I’d like |
| to head. And I can do that. It’ll look just like |
| my budget spreadsheets, all the finance stuff |
| that I do, you know, that we work through. And |
| it’ll just be another spreadsheet. Yeah, just |
| like it. And I can… Set pages and then it can |
| go back in history as far as it needs. This will |
| be fun. Let us close. Well, next week. Let me |
| tell you what I want to talk about next week. |
| What are we talking about next week? Virtue signaling. |
| This is going to be, I think, kind of a religious |
| topic next week. Are we talking about virtue? |
| Virtue signaling. Or how people display virtue? |
| That. That’s a specific term? Yep. So should |
| I look that up? what that means? Before, if you’d |
| like to, you can, yeah. Before we talk, to kind |
| of prepare those two words together, though. |
| You don’t want to talk about each individual |
| word. No, I mean, we should. We should talk about |
| each individual word. I think it’ll mainly center |
| around the idea of saying your prayers in a closet |
| or whatever. What is the scriptural thing there? |
| Or in public. Or in public, right. Piety and |
| things like that. I’m right and you’re wrong. |
| Right. But then look, look at me, see all of |
| the right things that I’m doing, you know? Yeah. |
| Yeah. Okay. So that’s what I’m planning on for |
| next week. That’s a good idea. So next week we |
| see the importance of what you’ve held and you |
| think is good. This week we talked about how |
| to categorize what we’ve learned from the past |
| to help build our future. And maybe next week |
| we can build on that to see what you should actually |
| use and what you actually put in public and what |
| you should keep for yourself. I appreciate your |
| time, LS, and my time NDM for being in this |
| conversation. And for any of you listening and |
| all of you listening, thank you for joining us. |
| And we hope that you find as much understanding |
| and development. This is built so that you can |
| build your life. And we want you to build your |
| life. We feel like we need to change the world |
| in some little respect. And this is our best |
| effort to add to the conversation and to add |
| to the beneficial growth and the… iterative |
| advancement of humankind. Thank you for joining |
| us. And on our pages, we do have a web page, doyouhaveaminutepodcast.com |
| And with that, we again bid you farewell. |
| Yeah. Good night. Good night. |
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