Episode 46 – Maybe we don’t even have any “rights” at all

In which we hash out human rights vs government authority, and what happens when those two seem to conflict.
Recorded February 27, 2026.

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Show notes and links:
DHS Sets the Record Straight About ICE Law Enforcement Training, Debunks Falsehoods | Homeland Security

FULL HEARING: ICE Whistleblower Testifies Before Congressional Dems About ‘Defective’ Training

1 day after judge orders release of Minneapolis resident Garrison Gibson, agents re-arrest him at immigration check-in – CBS Minnesota

Fourth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

DHS Warrantless Home Entry Memo’s Fourth Amendment Problem | Brennan Center for Justice

Transcript:

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What have I been thinking about? Well, I mean,

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I watched that hearing, the Oversight Committee

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hearing. Right, you watched the whole hearing.

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I did. So this is about someone who believes

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that ICE is operating illegally. Unconstitutionally,

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specifically. Unconstitutionally. With training.

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They’re not training appropriately enough. That

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was his statement. Was there other things? Yeah,

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I think that was specifically the statement.

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It’s the Fourth Amendment that it’s not following.

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Because, I mean, the official policy that the

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DOJ has for… ICE agents is to be completely

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constitutional, follow all of the laws. But what

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he’s saying is when he began as a trainer, this

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guy, what is his last name? Schwenk, I think.

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Yeah. You can search this up. This was just February

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22 or 23 was when the oversight hearing happened,

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oversight committee hearing. He says that when

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he began as, like when he took the job as a trainer

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five months ago, they handed him a piece of paper

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with the memo on it with instructions to tell,

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to train the agents to do, if there’s a… person

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they’re trying to detain in a private home they

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can do what they need to to get into that home

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which generally not generally specifically you

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need a judicial warrant to be able to do that

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but they’re saying you don’t need a warrant from

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an impartial judge you just need your signature

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of your supervisor an administrative warrant

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and that’s what i you did Sent another document,

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and that did clarify, went through it, and the

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way that the government is operating now, J .D.

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Vance, who’s the vice president, said, we believe

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this is accurate. You can use an administrative

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warrant in regard to immigration law. And so

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they’re using that. They’re testing the law.

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Now, until it’s clearly specified, and they did

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in that article, you identified, maybe we’ll

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attach that here too. They did indicate there’s

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been some case law, but there’s not demonstrably.

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accurate case law to say this is exactly what

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it is. There’s inference involved in that. Right.

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So the administration is taking an inference

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stance. Yeah. Saying administrative warrants

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are appropriate. Right. Right. And so that brings

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me to the question of can we trust the government

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to make logical right choices before the judge

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decides this is unconstitutional or this fits

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within the Constitution? I like Madison’s statement

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from the Federalist Papers. If men were angels,

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then we wouldn’t need a government. So the government

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is there because we’re always going to be biased

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to our own thoughts and feelings and our understandings.

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If the judge is a judge against the current administration,

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the judge will not approve a warrant, an impartial

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judge. How can you find an impartial judge? You

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can’t in the human world. Right. There are biases

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in every person. They have their brain they’re

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operating from. None of us are impartial. We

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we’ve got a stance that we that our psyche is

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built off of. So the administration is just taking

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a stance that says we’re going to operate this

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way. And if it does get into a case law, then

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we can decide it clearly then. Yeah. But we in

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order to. get our task done we feel very strong

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there is sufficient law and that’s the way they

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said it is sufficient law that allows us to do

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this with administrative warrants we’re going

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to continue this way in a sanctuary state there’s

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no way they would get a warrant from an impartial

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judge because there are no impartial judges in

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a sanctuary state well if all the judges are

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of one class then yeah I mean, that’s assuming

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that all of the judges were there from the very

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start of it being, and they all have that same

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mind. I mean, you’re meant to have different

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judges with all different. If you have the district

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judges or wherever you would want to go to, if

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you always have your favorite one, I go to this

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one because he always gives me everything I need.

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What’s the difference in that or an administrative

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warrant if you’ve got a judge in your pocket?

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What does it matter? Which is horrible in itself.

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I hate that someone could pay off a judge. Have

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a judge in their pocket. This is my favorite

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guy. He does everything I need. And it’s not

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necessarily they’re paying him off, but you know

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that this judge is a conservative, right -wing,

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stable judge this way. Or this judge is a human

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rights migration type judge who’s always going

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to vote that way. And they’ve got their directives,

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and they’re going to judge based on that, based

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on their understanding of the law. And that’s

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why the Supreme Court, with nine judges, don’t

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agree on everything. Don’t agree on anything,

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hardly. There’s nine of them with nine different

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opinions and dissenting opinions. Right. So it’s

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a challenge. But does that need to stop us? Question

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I think comes up, should we just stop doing things?

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Or how can you continue to move forward in a

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system that has these challenges? As an individual?

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As an individual, as an administration, as a

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state. Okay. As a city. You know, how can we

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continue moving forward? Clearly they think it’s

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an, that’s the us -them type idea. You know,

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we know that we made a decision that’s right.

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We’re going to move forward with that decision.

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But what if they know that it’s wrong and they’re

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going to stop your moving forward? And that’s

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what’s happening. It’s what’s been happening

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against ICE. ICE made a decision. Even this swank

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that’s been given to congressional testimony

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is saying it’s wrong what they’re doing. And

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I quit my job and I’m telling on them. I’m being

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a whistleblower here to indicate how wrong it

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is. So that’s what he’s saying. Yeah. And that’s

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going to start the process. Maybe it doesn’t

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start the process, but it’s a piece of the process

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to move towards 100 % constitutional actions.

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Right. Whether the Supreme Court will decide

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eventually that administrative warrants are fine

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or not. Right. So that has to be clearly defined

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and it hasn’t been. And that’s, you know, in

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relation to that, this ruling against the tariffs

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that the Supreme Court just came back with Trump.

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Yeah. You’re aware of that or do you know that

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situation? I’m a little bit aware of it, but

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recap it anyway. Yeah. So what is being told

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in the media is that the tariffs are illegal.

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They have said he could not have done those tariffs.

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Scott Besson, he went out and he explained, no,

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they didn’t say the tariffs are illegal. The

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tariffs were agreed to. It’s just the law he

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used was inappropriate. And he said, we used

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that law. And I don’t know if he said this directly.

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And I don’t know if Trump probably said he used

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it directly because there was no testing of that

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law. Yeah, Trump, he did talk about it directly.

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He said, I can stop trade with someone. I can

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use these emergency acts to completely stop trade

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with the country, but I can’t charge a dollar.

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for agreeing to trade for a price. And that’s

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what they canceled. They said, those emergency

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acts don’t give you tax authority in your powers.

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Your powers don’t include tax authority to apply

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a tariff. And he said, that’s a stupid decision.

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I mean, it’s obvious. If I can say we’re not

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going to do any business with this country, I

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can also say we’re going to do business if we

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can charge a 30 % tariff. So he said that was

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just a logical operation, but it wasn’t spelled

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out in the law originally. And since it wasn’t,

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the judiciary had to come into play and say,

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here’s what we think. We think you can charge

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a cost or you can’t. And they came down six to

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three that you can’t charge a cost. Okay. that

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emergency authority. That’s just one of the things

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that allow a president to make tariffs. He says,

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it’s going to be easy enough. We had to test

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that. So Trump knew he was testing it. They all

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knew they were testing the law because it wasn’t

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clear. I’m going to assume it means this. I’m

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going to infer that I can do this. And he did

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it. And it started with the courts immediately.

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You can’t do that. And so they finally got out

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and the final decision now is you can’t do that.

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So he says, okay, we won’t use that anymore,

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but it’s stupid. We need to get legislative change.

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to now change the law that identifies we can

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do that. But it takes the legislature to change

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that law. The current law, the judicial said,

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it’s not legal. So legislature can now come in

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and change the law and say it is legal, and then

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it will be legal. But he said, we’re not going

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to wait for that. We have other tariff authorities

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and other laws that we will roll to. And we’ve

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always known we had those backdrops. The most

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important tariffs they put in the laws that they

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knew were already tested. But they needed to

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test these. Yeah. They needed to test that authority.

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And that’s maybe what ICE is doing now is testing

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the authority of administrative warrants. Yeah.

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They believe it’s valid. Yeah. And Trump. So

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are you saying that Trump is going to. They’re

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going to. Well, I guess not Trump specifically,

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but whoever. Whoever would be in charge of this

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is going to try and change the law so that Trump

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can enact, or any future president can enact

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a tariff in an emergency kind of situation like

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he just tried to do. Under an emergency act like

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that. Yeah. If there’s some national emergency,

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and I don’t know the full law, but whatever the

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full law is, that their understanding is that

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you can use it. It came back that, no, it’s not

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clearly stated there, so no, you can’t use it

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for that purpose. Okay. So the only valid option

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now is to have the law rewritten, amend it, amend

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the law, which is easy enough to do. You just

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go through Congress again. Yeah. And amend the

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law. Right. And supersede the judges. Or find

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another way to test and see if it works. Well,

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he’s already tested that. We can’t test that

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again. We know that law is done. Yeah. Well,

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he can find another law to use, right? Find another

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path. To use for tariffs. Right. And that was

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easily done. They’ve already done that. And the

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tariffs are all still strong and they’re in place.

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They just moved them to another authority. I

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see. He says it’s only, and they said the limitation,

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it takes five months and then the Congress has

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to ratify it. But they rolled it in there. They

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got five months and now they’re applying for

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the Congress’s ratification of that tariff being

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in place under those other laws. Yeah. So the

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Congress just needs to clarify what they mean

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in regard to the laws. Yeah. So I wonder, though,

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if the cost to the citizens as a result of these

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tests that they’re running is valid, justified.

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The cost to the citizens, is that justified?

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Anytime you ask for justification, that’s wrong.

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Okay. Tell me about that. A justification is

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always wrong. Appropriate. You’re looking for

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appropriate. If you can justify it, you’re then

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playing defense. Justification is a defensive

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position. Okay. We don’t need to justify. I mean,

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was it appropriate for them to make that choice

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to decide that? That’s an us -them idea, too.

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If you say you’re not justified in doing that,

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then you’re automatically a them. But if you

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want to say we can let them do what they do,

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there’s no real cost. There’s a cost to everything

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and there’s no cost to anything. That’s probably

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an oxymoron that is actually true. Doesn’t matter

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what you do, you’re going to affect everything

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in the world and you’re going to affect nothing

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in the world. Okay. So it’s not that those tariffs

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hurt us. But I mean, they hurt a few people.

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They hurt several people. That made it harder

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for some people to be able to afford something

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because suddenly those… The prices had to go

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up because the countries exporting to the United

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States had to pay more for that. And maybe it’s

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a consumerism thing that we should not have anyway.

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But it did affect negatively some pocketbooks,

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even if it didn’t affect every single person’s

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pocketbook. Even if they did nothing, those pocketbooks

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would have been affected. Okay. So the pocketbooks

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that are affected are the ones that are just

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the complainers and saying, my pocketbook’s affected.

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I’ve had this discussion about tariffs quite

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often. So is that your full understanding of

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what a tariff does? What does a tariff do? Yeah.

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So imported goods, they have to, no, yes. No,

00:15:36.820 –> 00:15:39.879
is it goods exported to them, they have to pay

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30 %? Just explain it to me. Just go ahead. Yeah.

00:15:45.159 –> 00:15:47.080
So if you put a tariff on another country and

00:15:47.080 –> 00:15:49.899
they’re sending you automobiles, let’s say, and

00:15:49.899 –> 00:15:52.340
there’s a 20 % tariff on it, they used to send

00:15:52.340 –> 00:15:55.440
it to us at a 100 % price. Now the price that

00:15:55.440 –> 00:15:58.620
they have to send it to us is 120%. They have

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to pay that 20 % tariff. and it’s charged to

00:16:01.340 –> 00:16:04.200
the auto transactor. And I’m not sure all the

00:16:04.200 –> 00:16:07.360
exact pieces are where it charges, but the supposition

00:16:07.360 –> 00:16:09.519
and the understanding of tariffs that’s out there,

00:16:09.559 –> 00:16:11.580
the common knowledge, understanding of tariffs

00:16:11.580 –> 00:16:14.840
is they’re now paying a 20 % tariff to send the

00:16:14.840 –> 00:16:17.480
car to the U .S. Therefore, the price has to

00:16:17.480 –> 00:16:21.200
increase 20%. And the car is going to be 20 %

00:16:21.200 –> 00:16:23.679
more expensive in the U .S. because that tariff

00:16:23.679 –> 00:16:26.070
is going to be handed over to the consumer. It’s

00:16:26.070 –> 00:16:27.909
like the taxing authority. If you tax a corporation,

00:16:28.090 –> 00:16:29.750
the corporation is just going to roll that tax

00:16:29.750 –> 00:16:32.289
down to the consumer and the price goes up by

00:16:32.289 –> 00:16:35.750
5 % if you’ve raised their tax by 5%. So that’s

00:16:35.750 –> 00:16:38.549
the same concept. Yeah, that’s the supposition

00:16:38.549 –> 00:16:42.190
is what you’re saying. The what? The supposition.

00:16:42.409 –> 00:16:44.549
That’s what everyone is assuming is happening.

00:16:45.610 –> 00:16:48.899
Yeah, that’s the simple math. of the equation.

00:16:49.299 –> 00:16:52.080
Simple math. You charge 20 % here. They have

00:16:52.080 –> 00:16:54.379
to gather it from the consumer. Consumer’s going

00:16:54.379 –> 00:16:56.600
to pay the 20%. And that’s what they say is wrong.

00:16:56.659 –> 00:16:58.240
And that’s why they say it’s hurting every consumer’s

00:16:58.240 –> 00:17:01.320
pocketbook. Okay. The only people who see that

00:17:01.320 –> 00:17:02.720
hurting their pocketbook are the ones that want

00:17:02.720 –> 00:17:05.859
to complain about it, who want to say it’s wrong.

00:17:06.019 –> 00:17:08.119
If you want to say it’s wrong, you can say, yeah,

00:17:08.119 –> 00:17:11.400
it hurt my pocketbook. If you don’t care, you

00:17:11.400 –> 00:17:13.779
won’t even notice it. You don’t notice the tariffs.

00:17:13.900 –> 00:17:16.539
The whole tariff in the economy. It hasn’t changed.

00:17:17.240 –> 00:17:19.519
Inflation, because look at the broad numbers,

00:17:19.579 –> 00:17:23.240
inflation is going up 2 % to 3%. It’s reasonable

00:17:23.240 –> 00:17:25.059
inflation for the last year since the tariffs

00:17:25.059 –> 00:17:28.079
have been in place. It’s nothing like the 7 %

00:17:28.079 –> 00:17:30.119
or 8 % or 9 % inflation we had in the last four

00:17:30.119 –> 00:17:32.680
years where they were sending money everywhere,

00:17:32.740 –> 00:17:37.160
just creating money, creating inflation. So there

00:17:37.160 –> 00:17:39.480
is high inflation, but we have low inflation,

00:17:39.559 –> 00:17:43.539
so the tariffs aren’t affecting the system by

00:17:43.539 –> 00:17:48.170
itself. What I think, and here’s my personal

00:17:48.170 –> 00:17:51.789
opinion about tariffs, is it’s not a direct transfer.

00:17:51.869 –> 00:17:54.750
It’s not a simple math problem. 20 % tariff to

00:17:54.750 –> 00:17:56.789
a country doesn’t mean they’re going to raise

00:17:56.789 –> 00:17:59.009
the price 20%. If they raise their price 20%,

00:17:59.009 –> 00:18:01.509
they will lose their customer base. They can’t

00:18:01.509 –> 00:18:04.089
afford to do that. But they’re making a 40 %

00:18:04.089 –> 00:18:07.430
markup on that product. They will cut their markup

00:18:07.430 –> 00:18:09.460
to 20%. And say, we’re going to have to operate

00:18:09.460 –> 00:18:11.660
more efficiently. The companies are going to

00:18:11.660 –> 00:18:13.779
pay that tariff. The countries are going to pay

00:18:13.779 –> 00:18:16.140
that tariff. Out of their profit margin, they’re

00:18:16.140 –> 00:18:19.079
going to make a little less. But because they

00:18:19.079 –> 00:18:20.660
didn’t raise their price and they thought they

00:18:20.660 –> 00:18:22.519
would and people are now comfortable, they’ll

00:18:22.519 –> 00:18:25.180
sell more. So they’re going to increase that.

00:18:25.240 –> 00:18:27.079
They’ll make up for their tariffs with increased

00:18:27.079 –> 00:18:30.339
sales. So my overall opinion of tariffs, if you

00:18:30.339 –> 00:18:33.460
put that in and you price the whole world, and

00:18:33.460 –> 00:18:35.359
that’s what I believe Trump has done with this.

00:18:36.079 –> 00:18:38.220
concept in this idea. It says let’s use tariffs

00:18:38.220 –> 00:18:40.960
for a repricing of the world model as opposed

00:18:40.960 –> 00:18:44.400
to a punitive, let’s punish this country for

00:18:44.400 –> 00:18:47.440
not doing right with us. So he’s not out punitively

00:18:47.440 –> 00:18:50.339
using tariffs as an article of war like they’ve

00:18:50.339 –> 00:18:53.500
been used for before. But let’s use it as a pricing

00:18:53.500 –> 00:18:55.680
model and say now the whole world is going to

00:18:55.680 –> 00:18:57.720
trade with everyone. It opens up more free trade

00:18:57.720 –> 00:18:59.799
with the whole world because they know the price

00:18:59.799 –> 00:19:02.880
for it now. I can send my goods to the U .S.

00:19:03.079 –> 00:19:06.910
by paying a 10 % tariff. And now that whole market’s

00:19:06.910 –> 00:19:09.130
open to me. They’re welcoming my goods now instead

00:19:09.130 –> 00:19:13.769
of saying, don’t send them. So now it’s open.

00:19:13.849 –> 00:19:15.809
All you have to do is pay a 10 % tariff. You

00:19:15.809 –> 00:19:17.970
can bring your product to the U .S. and enjoy

00:19:17.970 –> 00:19:21.589
the… So I think we’re going to get more goods

00:19:21.589 –> 00:19:25.589
with this. And also the GDP of the world is going

00:19:25.589 –> 00:19:28.430
to increase. Everyone’s going to do more business

00:19:28.430 –> 00:19:33.200
because of the pricing model. Yeah. And I haven’t

00:19:33.200 –> 00:19:34.640
heard Trump say that. I haven’t heard Besson

00:19:34.640 –> 00:19:37.039
say that. They’re not saying that, but that’s

00:19:37.039 –> 00:19:39.660
what makes sense to me, that that’s what’s happening.

00:19:40.359 –> 00:19:43.740
Clearly. It’s clear to me anyway, that I’m not

00:19:43.740 –> 00:19:48.019
in those appropriate administrative roles. Yeah.

00:19:49.420 –> 00:20:01.099
So. So we’re saying since we haven’t seen a.

00:20:01.630 –> 00:20:04.869
significant impact to the economy, then it’s

00:20:04.869 –> 00:20:12.289
not impacting the economy. Right. There was a

00:20:12.289 –> 00:20:14.430
surprise today. The producer price index went

00:20:14.430 –> 00:20:17.650
up today. So it was a surprise to the high side,

00:20:17.809 –> 00:20:19.910
but it’s not much. I don’t know what the numbers

00:20:19.910 –> 00:20:24.029
are, but it can’t be an outrageously high price.

00:20:24.069 –> 00:20:26.150
Didn’t double what was expected. Yeah. But it

00:20:26.150 –> 00:20:28.490
was just higher than expected. But you expect

00:20:28.490 –> 00:20:31.440
a little bit higher in consumer price. producer

00:20:31.440 –> 00:20:35.279
price index. But I don’t even want to get into

00:20:35.279 –> 00:20:37.359
what, I don’t understand fully what all those

00:20:37.359 –> 00:20:41.000
are. But that’s one headline news that came out

00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:45.079
today is that was surprising to the upside. But

00:20:45.079 –> 00:20:48.240
that’s not enough to blow up the whole system.

00:20:48.579 –> 00:20:51.720
So the whole choice, do we continue moving forward?

00:20:51.859 –> 00:20:54.279
Do we continue working with tariffs to continue

00:20:54.279 –> 00:20:58.980
being who we are? Or do we have to just Throw

00:20:58.980 –> 00:21:03.980
the baby out with the bathwater. Right. Okay.

00:21:07.099 –> 00:21:09.559
More could be said about that. More could be

00:21:09.559 –> 00:21:17.240
discussed. So what about the administrative warrants

00:21:17.240 –> 00:21:20.019
and people still believing that their houses

00:21:20.019 –> 00:21:23.440
are safe and then finding out that they’re not

00:21:23.440 –> 00:21:29.720
safe? The administrative warrant is done by a

00:21:29.720 –> 00:21:32.500
supervisor or a supervisor. That’s kind of a

00:21:32.500 –> 00:21:36.740
low level idea. But the research that they’ve

00:21:36.740 –> 00:21:38.839
done, they know that this person lives there.

00:21:38.900 –> 00:21:42.539
So someone in a position of authority knows what

00:21:42.539 –> 00:21:44.940
they’re looking for and has agreed and authorized

00:21:44.940 –> 00:21:48.279
them to go in if they’re not invited in. Yeah.

00:21:48.799 –> 00:21:52.420
So certainly they’ll ask first. Knock on the

00:21:52.420 –> 00:21:57.150
door. Is Bill Blass here? Yeah. And they say,

00:21:57.269 –> 00:22:01.390
do you have a warrant? Whatever means, and I

00:22:01.390 –> 00:22:02.750
don’t know that that means they break down every

00:22:02.750 –> 00:22:08.289
door. I haven’t seen any proof that they are

00:22:08.289 –> 00:22:11.990
damaging property and just breaking into every

00:22:11.990 –> 00:22:14.170
house that they want to willy -nilly. Right.

00:22:14.230 –> 00:22:17.089
They are going in targeted and have administrative

00:22:17.089 –> 00:22:19.849
warrants to go specifically for this person is

00:22:19.849 –> 00:22:22.589
what I believe is happening. They wouldn’t. It’s

00:22:22.589 –> 00:22:27.680
just. For the individual, the lady in the hearing

00:22:27.680 –> 00:22:33.720
who testified, her door was broken in and she

00:22:33.720 –> 00:22:37.640
had to replace it. She was without a locking

00:22:37.640 –> 00:22:40.940
door for two weeks, she said, and she had to

00:22:40.940 –> 00:22:42.779
replace it out of her own pocket. There was no

00:22:42.779 –> 00:22:49.789
whatever reimbursement. restitution or whatever

00:22:49.789 –> 00:22:54.329
for that. I mean, so she demanded to see a warrant

00:22:54.329 –> 00:22:57.930
because that’s what you’re supposed to do. Anytime

00:22:57.930 –> 00:23:02.250
a police officer comes and tries to get into

00:23:02.250 –> 00:23:04.470
your house, you demand to see a warrant. They

00:23:04.470 –> 00:23:06.470
couldn’t, they didn’t give her a warrant. She

00:23:06.470 –> 00:23:08.390
closed her door. She wouldn’t let them in and

00:23:08.390 –> 00:23:15.329
they broke open her door. So that’s… So why

00:23:15.329 –> 00:23:19.509
would you close your door? So let me just touch

00:23:19.509 –> 00:23:21.410
that. Why would you close your door to the police

00:23:21.410 –> 00:23:24.190
officers? Because they didn’t have a warrant?

00:23:26.670 –> 00:23:28.650
Because… You’re hiding something is what you’re

00:23:28.650 –> 00:23:29.869
saying. If a police officer came to my door,

00:23:30.069 –> 00:23:32.450
you’re hiding something. You don’t want them

00:23:32.450 –> 00:23:34.809
to see what’s inside your house or who’s in there

00:23:34.809 –> 00:23:38.109
or something. You’re hiding from them. The sheriff

00:23:38.109 –> 00:23:39.769
will never come to my house, but if the sheriff

00:23:39.769 –> 00:23:41.529
ever did come to my house and say… You would

00:23:41.529 –> 00:23:44.589
welcome him in, right? You’d be like, yes, come

00:23:44.589 –> 00:23:46.809
in and see my house. Come on in. It’s cold out

00:23:46.809 –> 00:23:49.480
there. Let’s just talk. Have a seat. Let’s talk.

00:23:50.180 –> 00:23:51.940
And he says, I think you’re an illegal alien.

00:23:52.180 –> 00:23:54.519
Well, I have my record, whatever, whatever they’re

00:23:54.519 –> 00:23:57.039
coming for. If I actually did something illegal

00:23:57.039 –> 00:24:00.779
and I know I did something illegal, I would say

00:24:00.779 –> 00:24:05.420
you must present your warrant because I’m, I’m

00:24:05.420 –> 00:24:08.079
afraid, I’m afraid. I think. That’s why I won’t

00:24:08.079 –> 00:24:15.559
open my door. Because, because you, you are different.

00:24:16.160 –> 00:24:19.940
from most people you you would certainly welcome

00:24:19.940 –> 00:24:22.940
spam calls and you talk to them for as long as

00:24:22.940 –> 00:24:25.799
they let you talk to them and you invite the

00:24:25.799 –> 00:24:31.339
government into your house and you you want to

00:24:31.339 –> 00:24:34.160
be as open as you can and i can see that you

00:24:34.160 –> 00:24:37.779
you have nothing to hide unfortunately people

00:24:37.779 –> 00:24:41.259
like me who have nothing to hide still i prefer

00:24:41.259 –> 00:24:47.450
to make them follow the law still. I’m not going

00:24:47.450 –> 00:24:55.349
to sit and tell a traffic cop that I have nothing

00:24:55.349 –> 00:24:57.650
in my glove compartment if they want to look

00:24:57.650 –> 00:24:58.990
in my glove compartment. I’m not going to say,

00:24:59.029 –> 00:25:00.690
oh yeah, look, there’s nothing in here. I’m going

00:25:00.690 –> 00:25:04.730
to say you need to provide a good reason why

00:25:04.730 –> 00:25:06.369
you want to look in my glove compartment before

00:25:06.369 –> 00:25:08.250
I’m going to show you, even though all I have

00:25:08.250 –> 00:25:12.619
in there is My paperwork, my license and registration,

00:25:13.039 –> 00:25:15.000
you know, which I’ve already given them at that

00:25:15.000 –> 00:25:19.119
point. But they have no right to invade my personal

00:25:19.119 –> 00:25:21.859
space and I’m not going to let them even if I

00:25:21.859 –> 00:25:25.099
have nothing to hide. See, and an appropriate

00:25:25.099 –> 00:25:27.779
police officer will not do that, will not try

00:25:27.779 –> 00:25:30.259
to invade your personal space. And an inappropriate,

00:25:30.539 –> 00:25:35.240
right. The only reason they try to do that is

00:25:35.240 –> 00:25:38.480
if they see some idea that you’re trying to hide

00:25:38.480 –> 00:25:40.960
something. And then if they say, please get out

00:25:40.960 –> 00:25:42.599
of your car and you refuse to get out of your

00:25:42.599 –> 00:25:44.980
car, then you’ve broken a law. You’ve disobeyed

00:25:44.980 –> 00:25:47.619
a direct order from a officer of the law. Yeah.

00:25:47.880 –> 00:25:50.359
Then they have the right to search your car without

00:25:50.359 –> 00:25:54.079
a warrant, without anything, if you disobey their

00:25:54.079 –> 00:25:56.700
orders. Right. They tell you generally, don’t

00:25:56.700 –> 00:25:58.059
get out of your car. Sit there. Put your hands

00:25:58.059 –> 00:25:59.960
on the wheel. That’s what you’re going to do

00:25:59.960 –> 00:26:02.359
with normal traffic stops. But when you get belligerent

00:26:02.359 –> 00:26:04.059
or when you say, no, I don’t have an ID or you

00:26:04.059 –> 00:26:05.819
become a sovereign citizen and you’re trying

00:26:05.819 –> 00:26:07.839
to prove other things, they say, get out of the

00:26:07.839 –> 00:26:11.019
car. Let’s talk out here. Well, okay. Because

00:26:11.019 –> 00:26:13.240
it’s safer to talk outside the car than inside

00:26:13.240 –> 00:26:16.259
the car. Yeah. So in the case of a police officer

00:26:16.259 –> 00:26:18.579
coming to my door, I would not invite them in

00:26:18.579 –> 00:26:22.200
unless they can provide me a warrant. For some

00:26:22.200 –> 00:26:24.220
reason for them to be there. They would not go

00:26:24.220 –> 00:26:26.319
to your house unless they had a reason. Unless

00:26:26.319 –> 00:26:29.220
they made a mistake. Unless their supervisor

00:26:29.220 –> 00:26:33.440
was like, no, they’re harboring someone. We’ve

00:26:33.440 –> 00:26:36.039
got some weird connection. And it was a mistake.

00:26:36.039 –> 00:26:39.359
It was a typo, maybe. Maybe a typo. But the problem

00:26:39.359 –> 00:26:46.220
is administrative warrants require much less

00:26:46.220 –> 00:26:52.200
probable cause or whatever. They just need somebody

00:26:52.200 –> 00:26:54.200
to say, yeah, that’s where they are. Go and get

00:26:54.200 –> 00:26:57.940
them. They don’t need a judge looking at it and

00:26:57.940 –> 00:27:00.980
considering all of the things. Supposing that

00:27:00.980 –> 00:27:03.240
it’s all they’re doing, that they’re not actually

00:27:03.240 –> 00:27:08.539
doing any background research and know that they

00:27:08.539 –> 00:27:11.039
could prove it to a judge if they want to. Chances

00:27:11.039 –> 00:27:12.940
are every one of those administrative warrants

00:27:12.940 –> 00:27:18.099
would be approved by a judge if the judge impartially

00:27:18.099 –> 00:27:22.099
looked at it. Yeah. They’re doing their job.

00:27:22.680 –> 00:27:24.480
If they’re doing their job. Now, what this Swank

00:27:24.480 –> 00:27:26.279
guy was saying, they’re not trained to do their

00:27:26.279 –> 00:27:29.200
job. They they cut out two thirds of the training

00:27:29.200 –> 00:27:32.539
requirement for a enforcement officer. Yeah.

00:27:32.759 –> 00:27:34.519
So if you cut out two thirds of the training,

00:27:34.660 –> 00:27:38.799
they don’t know to be extra careful with these

00:27:38.799 –> 00:27:42.779
things. Yeah. So that’s what part of his testimony

00:27:42.779 –> 00:27:47.519
was. Right. And then the DOJ came out with a

00:27:47.519 –> 00:27:50.319
statement like directly after that said, oh,

00:27:50.359 –> 00:27:53.250
we certainly did not. do away with the training.

00:27:53.329 –> 00:27:56.690
We’re actually training longer hours. But that

00:27:56.690 –> 00:27:59.910
requires a certain trust in the government. And

00:27:59.910 –> 00:28:02.470
many people don’t have that trust that they’re

00:28:02.470 –> 00:28:07.410
telling us the truth. Okay. And that’s back to

00:28:07.410 –> 00:28:09.450
this us -them idea. I think that’s necessary.

00:28:09.730 –> 00:28:12.829
And I do want to introduce another word. I’ll

00:28:12.829 –> 00:28:15.109
tell you right now what it is. It’s gaslighting.

00:28:15.130 –> 00:28:18.269
Yeah. So where is the gaslighting occurring?

00:28:19.130 –> 00:28:23.869
Right. Whose reality do you trust? Because both

00:28:23.869 –> 00:28:26.950
of them have a definite reality. Right. And it

00:28:26.950 –> 00:28:31.589
it it depends on what your own personal background

00:28:31.589 –> 00:28:36.990
is and what’s happened to you thus far. And what

00:28:36.990 –> 00:28:39.849
what you’ve read, what you’ve watched, what people

00:28:39.849 –> 00:28:42.930
have told you, you know, this it’s all your own

00:28:42.930 –> 00:28:46.009
bias. What are you spending your. How have you

00:28:46.009 –> 00:28:48.990
spent your time so far? And that helps you decide

00:28:48.990 –> 00:28:51.289
the decisions for the future. You can’t make

00:28:51.289 –> 00:28:55.890
a surprising decision. It’s not going to happen.

00:28:55.970 –> 00:28:59.450
And so back to the drama triangle, are you a

00:28:59.450 –> 00:29:02.369
victim or are you a creator with your life? If

00:29:02.369 –> 00:29:04.609
you’re a victim, you’re going to say, show me

00:29:04.609 –> 00:29:08.369
that warrant. I know how to operate as a victim.

00:29:08.509 –> 00:29:11.910
And you’re coming to perpetrate your authority

00:29:11.910 –> 00:29:14.430
over me. And I’m going to refuse that as strongly

00:29:14.430 –> 00:29:16.970
as I can. But that makes you a victim immediately

00:29:16.970 –> 00:29:21.109
instead of a creator saying, you have some reason.

00:29:21.210 –> 00:29:23.230
I mean, you’re here for some reason. So we just

00:29:23.230 –> 00:29:24.809
need to come in so that we can look, so we can

00:29:24.809 –> 00:29:27.150
tell, okay, what are you going to look at? Well,

00:29:27.269 –> 00:29:29.529
we don’t want to tell you that. We can’t tell

00:29:29.529 –> 00:29:31.690
you that because it’s an illegal alien or whatever.

00:29:31.809 –> 00:29:34.730
Whatever they’re really there for, if they have

00:29:34.730 –> 00:29:38.470
incorrect information and they get into your

00:29:38.470 –> 00:29:41.990
house and they say, no, there is no hiding place,

00:29:42.049 –> 00:29:44.349
third room between these rooms. We’ve measured

00:29:44.349 –> 00:29:48.589
it. There’s no place you’re keeping. What was

00:29:48.589 –> 00:29:51.750
the hiding place? No, it’s the Ten Boom people,

00:29:51.970 –> 00:29:55.109
right? Corey Ten Boom and their family. Where

00:29:55.109 –> 00:29:58.650
they had a false room behind a room. They were

00:29:58.650 –> 00:30:02.990
keeping refugees, keeping migrant workers, illegal

00:30:02.990 –> 00:30:06.890
aliens. Yeah. The Jews were illegal in Germany

00:30:06.890 –> 00:30:09.430
at the time, and you couldn’t keep them. So that’s

00:30:09.430 –> 00:30:10.730
what we’re just saying, and that’s why they’re

00:30:10.730 –> 00:30:12.549
relating us to the Gestapo. We’re just trying

00:30:12.549 –> 00:30:15.460
to find the hidden rooms. And so if they say,

00:30:15.460 –> 00:30:16.960
you’ve got a hidden room in your house and we

00:30:16.960 –> 00:30:19.359
know there are aliens here, I’d say, come on

00:30:19.359 –> 00:30:22.099
in. Let’s measure it. If you think I’ve created

00:30:22.099 –> 00:30:27.200
a room. What if you had a room? Cool. Would you

00:30:27.200 –> 00:30:29.259
invite them in if you had a room? What if I actually

00:30:29.259 –> 00:30:31.480
had, what if I actually had aliens? What if I

00:30:31.480 –> 00:30:36.319
had Jews in the back closet? Then I would have

00:30:36.319 –> 00:30:38.579
something to hide, right? And you would demand.

00:30:38.579 –> 00:30:41.559
I don’t want to go to prison. A warrant. Yeah,

00:30:41.680 –> 00:30:45.430
you would, you would have. I would do whatever

00:30:45.430 –> 00:30:47.349
is necessary. So let’s say that I was on the

00:30:47.349 –> 00:30:49.269
right. And then that’s the gaslighting thing.

00:30:49.630 –> 00:30:52.910
And that’s trying to identify whose reality are

00:30:52.910 –> 00:30:54.789
you going to deal with? The reason I have the

00:30:54.789 –> 00:30:58.690
room and I’m harboring those migrants is because

00:30:58.690 –> 00:31:02.349
I love them more than I love the law that said

00:31:02.349 –> 00:31:05.369
there’s something against them. They need to

00:31:05.369 –> 00:31:06.970
be eradicated. No, I’m not going to eradicate

00:31:06.970 –> 00:31:08.809
them. I’m going to care for them. I’m protecting

00:31:08.809 –> 00:31:11.509
them. And that’s really the Democrat side on

00:31:11.509 –> 00:31:15.740
this and what they’re saying. No. you can’t just

00:31:15.740 –> 00:31:17.779
throw them out. That’s throwing the baby out.

00:31:17.880 –> 00:31:19.819
We believe these are babies. We have to take

00:31:19.819 –> 00:31:21.920
care of them and we’re going to grow them up

00:31:21.920 –> 00:31:24.019
and they’re going to be valid citizens in the

00:31:24.019 –> 00:31:27.019
country. So if I had that in my house, they actually

00:31:27.019 –> 00:31:34.079
were harboring them. And there are movies about

00:31:34.079 –> 00:31:35.779
this type of stuff too. If you have a secret

00:31:35.779 –> 00:31:38.619
room, you go ahead and bring them in. You don’t

00:31:38.619 –> 00:31:45.920
want to make them believe you’re not legal. So

00:31:45.920 –> 00:31:47.920
if I could delay them efficiently, say, you know,

00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:51.359
my house is really unclean now. Can you come

00:31:51.359 –> 00:31:53.400
back at five o ‘clock? Yeah. Come back at five

00:31:53.400 –> 00:31:55.140
o ‘clock. It’s three o ‘clock. I’ve got two hours

00:31:55.140 –> 00:31:57.779
now to get rid of the people from the house,

00:31:57.839 –> 00:31:59.380
put them out in the barn or put the neighbors

00:31:59.380 –> 00:32:03.019
or take them to the next safe house for the police

00:32:03.019 –> 00:32:04.819
to come back at five o ‘clock and search my room.

00:32:04.900 –> 00:32:07.019
And then I have my room. It is there, but it’s

00:32:07.019 –> 00:32:10.579
just a pantry. It’s filled with guns and firecrackers.

00:32:10.619 –> 00:32:12.859
And, you know, it’s just something that I keep

00:32:12.859 –> 00:32:15.759
locked away so my kids don’t get. Yeah. these

00:32:15.759 –> 00:32:19.480
things but yeah there’s a special room here well

00:32:19.480 –> 00:32:22.819
i’m for these things yeah i’m reminded of the

00:32:22.819 –> 00:32:29.339
movie inglorious bastards where the german guy

00:32:29.339 –> 00:32:34.099
comes into the home the the cabin and like this

00:32:34.099 –> 00:32:36.480
got the people hiding under the floorboards this

00:32:36.480 –> 00:32:39.920
guy but he tries to act completely natural and

00:32:39.920 –> 00:32:43.779
lets the guy in. And he’s like, yeah, come in.

00:32:44.079 –> 00:32:48.039
I’ve got nothing to hide. But the guy knows he’s

00:32:48.039 –> 00:32:50.200
hiding them because he ends up shooting him and

00:32:50.200 –> 00:32:53.599
he shoots the girl that, or shoots at the girl

00:32:53.599 –> 00:32:56.180
that runs away from the house and he shoots all

00:32:56.180 –> 00:32:58.440
of the people in the floorboards. They’re all

00:32:58.440 –> 00:33:01.579
dead now because he knew he was finding people

00:33:01.579 –> 00:33:04.839
there. He had good information. Yeah, he had

00:33:04.839 –> 00:33:07.059
the probable cause that there was somebody there.

00:33:07.599 –> 00:33:11.000
Right. He had an administrative warrant and he

00:33:11.000 –> 00:33:14.279
knew that there was bad action in there. Yeah.

00:33:14.539 –> 00:33:17.259
And if he didn’t know, if he had any reason of

00:33:17.259 –> 00:33:20.319
doubt, then the guy could have succeeded in doing

00:33:20.319 –> 00:33:24.160
his bad action of harboring the migrants. Right.

00:33:24.220 –> 00:33:27.160
And maybe he could have rejected the entrance

00:33:27.160 –> 00:33:29.400
into his home, too. I mean, if there was some

00:33:29.400 –> 00:33:32.039
sort of law that said you have to provide proof

00:33:32.039 –> 00:33:34.339
before you come in, maybe he could have done

00:33:34.339 –> 00:33:37.880
that. But I mean, I imagine… I think I kind

00:33:37.880 –> 00:33:40.579
of remember the movie. There was one or two of

00:33:40.579 –> 00:33:45.579
them, the inglorious, whatever, the Gestapo,

00:33:45.579 –> 00:33:49.400
the police. They could have killed the police

00:33:49.400 –> 00:33:52.579
before they started doing that. But then it would

00:33:52.579 –> 00:33:54.500
have turned into a Waco -type situation where

00:33:54.500 –> 00:33:56.440
now the whole government’s coming down on this

00:33:56.440 –> 00:33:59.859
facility and locking you down and burning you

00:33:59.859 –> 00:34:04.309
out. Yeah. Yeah. Or Ruby Ridge. I mean, you have

00:34:04.309 –> 00:34:06.730
your standoff if you know that you’re doing things

00:34:06.730 –> 00:34:11.789
legally. And that’s the question. Was Ruby Ridge

00:34:11.789 –> 00:34:14.949
in Waco, was David Koresh actually doing things

00:34:14.949 –> 00:34:18.670
legally or was he operating illegally that needed

00:34:18.670 –> 00:34:21.690
action from the federal government? Well, according

00:34:21.690 –> 00:34:22.670
to the laws. And the federal government feels

00:34:22.670 –> 00:34:26.829
like he did. Yeah. According to the laws of the

00:34:26.829 –> 00:34:31.000
land or whatever. Possibly. I don’t know very

00:34:31.000 –> 00:34:35.280
much about those events. Right. We could search

00:34:35.280 –> 00:34:36.820
into that. But that’s about like the tariffs.

00:34:37.300 –> 00:34:39.300
Trump just took a stance on the tariffs, say,

00:34:39.320 –> 00:34:41.519
I’m going to operate this way. People thought

00:34:41.519 –> 00:34:43.340
it was illegal. They took it through the court

00:34:43.340 –> 00:34:45.119
system. They followed the court systems up through

00:34:45.119 –> 00:34:48.320
the districts to the Supreme Superior Court,

00:34:48.380 –> 00:34:51.719
to the Supreme Court of the United States, and

00:34:51.719 –> 00:34:53.880
finally got the final decision. No, you can’t

00:34:53.880 –> 00:34:56.099
do it. So he said, great, now we have an answer.

00:34:56.539 –> 00:34:59.480
We’re moving to this stance. And it was good.

00:34:59.619 –> 00:35:02.179
And that actually gave him the clear answer that

00:35:02.179 –> 00:35:04.300
we can do all these things outside of it. So

00:35:04.300 –> 00:35:08.679
now we move this, we know that we’re good with

00:35:08.679 –> 00:35:12.119
everything else we’ve done. It’s just that one

00:35:12.119 –> 00:35:14.420
thing they said, tweak this, don’t charge a penny

00:35:14.420 –> 00:35:19.659
and you’ll be fine. Yeah. So moving back to the

00:35:19.659 –> 00:35:23.099
administration, administrative warrants. Administrative

00:35:23.099 –> 00:35:26.159
warrants. Okay. Inglourious, whatever that was.

00:35:26.739 –> 00:35:30.130
Inglourious bastards. Someone who goes in with

00:35:30.130 –> 00:35:32.710
an administrative warrant and knows that they

00:35:32.710 –> 00:35:36.070
are on the right because you are harboring fugitives.

00:35:36.309 –> 00:35:43.449
Yeah. So the woman in the hearing, her husband

00:35:43.449 –> 00:35:46.150
was in the house with her. And she said in the

00:35:46.150 –> 00:35:50.110
hearing that he had just did his check -in. He

00:35:50.110 –> 00:35:53.739
had just done that. And he had another check

00:35:53.739 –> 00:35:55.900
-in scheduled. He hadn’t missed any of his check

00:35:55.900 –> 00:36:02.460
-ins. And she was upset by the fact that they

00:36:02.460 –> 00:36:04.460
felt they had to come in and get him from the

00:36:04.460 –> 00:36:07.539
house. They couldn’t just get him at the next

00:36:07.539 –> 00:36:12.300
check -in or something. And they had kids in

00:36:12.300 –> 00:36:15.500
the house and the agents came into the house

00:36:15.500 –> 00:36:18.360
with their guns and their masks and their gear,

00:36:18.880 –> 00:36:22.130
like very frightening. Kids are going to remember

00:36:22.130 –> 00:36:23.949
this kind of thing and they’re going to be…

00:36:23.949 –> 00:36:28.909
Kids are naturally victims. They haven’t learned

00:36:28.909 –> 00:36:31.829
how to not be a victim anymore. They are… They’re

00:36:31.829 –> 00:36:34.789
dependents. Right. And so they’re witnessing

00:36:34.789 –> 00:36:38.719
all of this and they’re afraid for… As long

00:36:38.719 –> 00:36:41.099
as it takes for them to figure out that there’s

00:36:41.099 –> 00:36:43.019
nothing to be afraid of, which might not be for

00:36:43.019 –> 00:36:44.760
the rest of their life. Because once you’re stuck

00:36:44.760 –> 00:36:47.599
in a victim spot when you’re a kid, it’s difficult

00:36:47.599 –> 00:36:49.920
to get out by yourself. You have to do therapy

00:36:49.920 –> 00:36:54.900
and work. It’s hard to not be a victim anymore

00:36:54.900 –> 00:36:56.739
if something happened to you when you were a

00:36:56.739 –> 00:37:01.139
kid. You have to change. Yeah. And so the harm

00:37:01.139 –> 00:37:06.269
to this family was more than just… one man

00:37:06.269 –> 00:37:10.110
being detained. It was damage to their home.

00:37:10.230 –> 00:37:12.789
It was damage to the emotional well -being of

00:37:12.789 –> 00:37:17.269
their kids. And is this worth testing the system

00:37:17.269 –> 00:37:20.670
to see if an administrative warrant is legal

00:37:20.670 –> 00:37:24.170
or not? Did she happen to say what her husband

00:37:24.170 –> 00:37:30.090
did, why he was being targeted? She didn’t say.

00:37:30.150 –> 00:37:32.829
Did anyone ask? Well, she did mention that he

00:37:32.829 –> 00:37:36.880
had been in the country. for seven years. So

00:37:36.880 –> 00:37:39.000
he’d been there quite some time and constantly

00:37:39.000 –> 00:37:43.300
doing check -ins. Check -ins meaning what? I’m

00:37:43.300 –> 00:37:46.179
not sure what that is. She didn’t describe that.

00:37:46.300 –> 00:37:49.639
I think… Yeah, so if he was seeking asylum

00:37:49.639 –> 00:37:53.099
and had to do check -ins, or was he on probation

00:37:53.099 –> 00:37:55.159
and checking in with his probation officer? Right.

00:37:55.260 –> 00:37:59.900
She’s a citizen. Their kids are citizens. Maybe

00:37:59.900 –> 00:38:05.130
he was here without his citizenship. But they

00:38:05.130 –> 00:38:07.710
were letting him stay because his whole family

00:38:07.710 –> 00:38:12.170
was here. And so it’s like, okay, you keep checking

00:38:12.170 –> 00:38:16.550
in and we’re going to work toward legality here

00:38:16.550 –> 00:38:22.469
or something. Maybe the supervisor that issued

00:38:22.469 –> 00:38:26.130
the warrant, the administrative warrant, maybe

00:38:26.130 –> 00:38:28.610
he decided, okay, seven years is enough. We’re

00:38:28.610 –> 00:38:32.199
going to take him to the detention center. Like

00:38:32.199 –> 00:38:35.079
that’s where he’s going. You know, that’s all

00:38:35.079 –> 00:38:38.739
you’re guessing. My speculation, yeah. What would

00:38:38.739 –> 00:38:42.519
you guess? We have no idea. What I says, they’re

00:38:42.519 –> 00:38:45.739
going after criminals. So my assessment of that

00:38:45.739 –> 00:38:47.860
story that she said, if that’s all she said,

00:38:47.980 –> 00:38:50.440
he was going to his check -ins. Certainly his

00:38:50.440 –> 00:38:52.159
check -ins were with his probation officer. He

00:38:52.159 –> 00:38:54.159
was on probation from a crime that he committed.

00:38:54.639 –> 00:38:59.099
Okay. And so he’s on probation as an illegal

00:38:59.099 –> 00:39:01.530
alien. They’re taking people who have committed

00:39:01.530 –> 00:39:05.010
crimes out of the country necessarily. So if

00:39:05.010 –> 00:39:07.909
he was in that crime status, then it’s completely

00:39:07.909 –> 00:39:10.070
appropriate. And he should be afraid and he should

00:39:10.070 –> 00:39:12.329
have self -deported. Say, you know, I’m going

00:39:12.329 –> 00:39:16.789
to move back to Venezuela or back to Belize because

00:39:16.789 –> 00:39:21.090
I’m going to, I need to go. And God is $3 ,000

00:39:21.090 –> 00:39:23.610
and say, I’ll see you when they get my papers

00:39:23.610 –> 00:39:26.550
approved so I can come here legally. Well, okay.

00:39:26.550 –> 00:39:29.030
He didn’t do that. So now he had to get deported.

00:39:29.369 –> 00:39:32.150
being a criminal, and he won’t have the chance

00:39:32.150 –> 00:39:35.170
to come back. His family’s going to move to Venezuela

00:39:35.170 –> 00:39:38.289
to be with him. Okay. I’m going to see if I can,

00:39:38.349 –> 00:39:43.630
if we can find out. Find out what he actually

00:39:43.630 –> 00:39:47.690
did. Who this is. What his status was. Tayana

00:39:47.690 –> 00:39:58.030
Gibson Brown is her name. This whole discussion

00:39:58.030 –> 00:40:01.730
is just on who you trust. If you say, I trust

00:40:01.730 –> 00:40:04.349
the migrants, I don’t trust the administration,

00:40:04.809 –> 00:40:06.670
you’re necessarily going to fall on that side

00:40:06.670 –> 00:40:09.889
and say administration is wrong. It’s them. They

00:40:09.889 –> 00:40:13.389
are them. From my standpoint, if I believe the

00:40:13.389 –> 00:40:14.690
administration is doing things appropriately,

00:40:15.010 –> 00:40:17.349
things right, and that I feel like administrative

00:40:17.349 –> 00:40:20.230
warrants are done appropriately, I’m going to

00:40:20.230 –> 00:40:21.530
say there’s got to be something in the story

00:40:21.530 –> 00:40:25.570
we’re missing from the citizen side, from the

00:40:25.570 –> 00:40:28.130
migrant side. That caused him to be a target.

00:40:28.869 –> 00:40:31.289
Yeah. So that’s what we’re looking for. Okay.

00:40:31.369 –> 00:40:35.130
This says that he was born in Liberia. He came

00:40:35.130 –> 00:40:42.289
to the United States as a child. He was detained.

00:40:44.929 –> 00:40:54.510
And then he was released. So none of this says

00:40:54.510 –> 00:40:58.269
that he had a criminal record. What do you mean?

00:40:59.130 –> 00:41:01.989
He was detained by the agents, the ICE agents,

00:41:02.110 –> 00:41:04.469
and then he was… The ICE agents that broke

00:41:04.469 –> 00:41:08.329
into his house? Yes. So they broke into his house

00:41:08.329 –> 00:41:11.510
to detain him, and then they released him. They

00:41:11.510 –> 00:41:13.570
didn’t release him. A judge ordered his release.

00:41:15.070 –> 00:41:18.190
Well, he was released. It wasn’t the agents that

00:41:18.190 –> 00:41:20.090
released him. They detained him. They sent him

00:41:20.090 –> 00:41:29.199
to Texas. From where he was detained was… Well,

00:41:32.900 –> 00:41:35.880
it was another state. Whatever it is, it was

00:41:35.880 –> 00:41:39.019
not Texas. And then they sent him to Texas. And

00:41:39.019 –> 00:41:42.639
then a judge determined that he could be released.

00:41:45.219 –> 00:41:48.539
And he’s still illegal in the country, still

00:41:48.539 –> 00:41:52.019
seeking asylum from Liberia? Maybe. Is Liberia

00:41:52.019 –> 00:41:58.070
a war -torn country? I would have to spend a

00:41:58.070 –> 00:42:00.349
lot more time reading about this to know that,

00:42:00.429 –> 00:42:02.929
but it doesn’t appear that he has a criminal

00:42:02.929 –> 00:42:04.769
history because he would still be there. Right,

00:42:04.789 –> 00:42:06.710
so the judge apparently determined that, yeah.

00:42:09.250 –> 00:42:11.909
So, and my question then would be, why would

00:42:11.909 –> 00:42:14.869
they have him as a target if he didn’t have a

00:42:14.869 –> 00:42:18.730
criminal record? Yeah, do we need to investigate

00:42:18.730 –> 00:42:22.630
personally every single administrative warrant

00:42:22.630 –> 00:42:28.329
to decide if it’s right or wrong? Well, if you

00:42:28.329 –> 00:42:31.949
can find one, if you can find one that is wrong,

00:42:32.110 –> 00:42:35.050
that is against the law, then that person, you

00:42:35.050 –> 00:42:37.849
know, there are bad actors in society. Every

00:42:37.849 –> 00:42:40.369
piece, someone’s going to do something wrong

00:42:40.369 –> 00:42:42.849
or because they just feel like it. I need to

00:42:42.849 –> 00:42:45.010
have three arrests today, not two. So I’m going

00:42:45.010 –> 00:42:48.590
to pick this one that isn’t really doing much

00:42:48.590 –> 00:42:55.150
bad. Yeah. There should be not one that isn’t

00:42:55.150 –> 00:42:59.599
right. Right. So we do need to investigate each

00:42:59.599 –> 00:43:05.960
one until we find one that’s wrong, that isn’t

00:43:05.960 –> 00:43:10.099
right. The system, so you have to trust the system

00:43:10.099 –> 00:43:13.320
has to investigate each one. Every word that

00:43:13.320 –> 00:43:15.579
we speak needs to be judged by our conscience

00:43:15.579 –> 00:43:18.480
that we’re speaking it appropriately. Yeah. So

00:43:18.480 –> 00:43:20.920
if we don’t do that, if we just go out and say

00:43:20.920 –> 00:43:24.360
whatever, you know, from our person. But if you’re

00:43:24.360 –> 00:43:26.099
running a company, you need to make sure that

00:43:26.099 –> 00:43:28.000
every employee of your company is presenting

00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:30.719
the right face of your company. Yeah. And if

00:43:30.719 –> 00:43:32.280
they’re saying things wrong, if there’s someone

00:43:32.280 –> 00:43:35.300
just starts saying, you know, this is what we

00:43:35.300 –> 00:43:37.219
represent and it’s not what you represent, you

00:43:37.219 –> 00:43:39.280
need to change that. And there’s an investigation,

00:43:39.659 –> 00:43:42.480
internal investigations. Internal audits happen

00:43:42.480 –> 00:43:44.780
in companies all the time. Sometimes you need

00:43:44.780 –> 00:43:46.739
an external audit to come in and say, you know,

00:43:46.780 –> 00:43:48.820
this is what you think is an appropriate action

00:43:48.820 –> 00:43:52.320
is not. And so you can’t charge tariffs for that

00:43:52.320 –> 00:43:54.880
rule. And so an outside agency then tells you,

00:43:54.920 –> 00:43:59.139
you’ve got to change. Everything needs to be

00:43:59.139 –> 00:44:01.760
investigated from the inside. And I believe it

00:44:01.760 –> 00:44:04.000
is. I believe ICE investigates itself on everything.

00:44:04.400 –> 00:44:09.440
I mean, these deaths that occurred, they were

00:44:09.440 –> 00:44:13.840
investigated. And then they were justified. They

00:44:13.840 –> 00:44:17.320
used that word we were using earlier. Identified

00:44:17.320 –> 00:44:19.400
that it was appropriate what happened there.

00:44:20.280 –> 00:44:22.239
there wasn’t just a rogue officer that went out

00:44:22.239 –> 00:44:25.719
and started shooting people. Right. There was

00:44:25.719 –> 00:44:28.500
reason for the use of lethal force, and they

00:44:28.500 –> 00:44:31.219
determined in their internal investigation that

00:44:31.219 –> 00:44:34.739
it was appropriate, and they closed the case.

00:44:35.159 –> 00:44:41.119
Well, they have bias, though. It’s possible that

00:44:41.119 –> 00:44:42.900
someone would close the case and say, we’re protecting

00:44:42.900 –> 00:44:48.320
this individual now. And that’s kind of… Internal

00:44:48.320 –> 00:44:51.219
investigations are naturally biased. You want

00:44:51.219 –> 00:44:55.300
your own whatever to stand to succeed. You don’t

00:44:55.300 –> 00:45:00.300
want to be like, oh, I see that we did wrong.

00:45:00.400 –> 00:45:04.119
We’re going to have to close down. We’re not

00:45:04.119 –> 00:45:07.239
going to intentionally make any adjustments unless

00:45:07.239 –> 00:45:11.079
somebody else tells us we have to. Unless you

00:45:11.079 –> 00:45:13.719
identify that you did actually do wrong and you’re…

00:45:14.900 –> 00:45:17.179
upfront enough and straight enough to say, yeah,

00:45:17.199 –> 00:45:20.519
we did this wrong. That’s kind of what Trump

00:45:20.519 –> 00:45:22.179
said in regard to the tariffs. He says, we were

00:45:22.179 –> 00:45:24.000
testing something that wasn’t clearly in the

00:45:24.000 –> 00:45:25.519
law. Now it’s clearly in the law. They made a

00:45:25.519 –> 00:45:28.179
bad decision, I believe. That’s just his belief.

00:45:28.559 –> 00:45:31.940
But we were complying fully. We’ll close that

00:45:31.940 –> 00:45:33.739
down under those laws. We’ll pick it up again

00:45:33.739 –> 00:45:35.639
under these laws. But the agreements are still

00:45:35.639 –> 00:45:37.820
going to stand. We’re just changing the law it’s

00:45:37.820 –> 00:45:40.119
under. And in five months, it just means we have

00:45:40.119 –> 00:45:43.440
to get congressional. Or it can disappear at

00:45:43.440 –> 00:45:46.079
that point, too, if the Congress changes midterm

00:45:46.079 –> 00:45:48.760
and they say, now we’re not going to approve

00:45:48.760 –> 00:45:50.900
everything. But right now it should be approved

00:45:50.900 –> 00:45:55.380
just fine. Right. So as long as you have legislative

00:45:55.380 –> 00:45:57.199
authority, that’s the three branches of government,

00:45:57.340 –> 00:45:59.340
the legislative, executive, judicial. Executive

00:45:59.340 –> 00:46:01.639
said, I want to do something. It’s not clearly

00:46:01.639 –> 00:46:03.019
defined, so I’m going to go ahead and do it.

00:46:03.559 –> 00:46:05.719
And now the judicial said, you can’t do it. Now

00:46:05.719 –> 00:46:07.460
the legislator has a chance to come in and say,

00:46:07.519 –> 00:46:09.300
yeah, you can do it. That’s going to be fine.

00:46:09.420 –> 00:46:12.179
So the executive can operate this way. That’s

00:46:12.179 –> 00:46:14.699
what the legislature has the right to now say.

00:46:14.900 –> 00:46:17.579
Yeah. Which they can, and I expect they probably

00:46:17.579 –> 00:46:24.280
will. Right. I’m reminded of two other things

00:46:24.280 –> 00:46:27.199
that I’ve watched. These are parts of my life

00:46:27.199 –> 00:46:29.360
that have led me to believe the things I believe

00:46:29.360 –> 00:46:34.480
these days, right? Okay. First one is the movie

00:46:34.480 –> 00:46:40.880
Don’t Look Up, where… The scientists, the astronomers,

00:46:41.119 –> 00:46:48.659
they discover a, I don’t know, something hurling

00:46:48.659 –> 00:46:51.099
toward the earth that’s going to destroy everyone.

00:46:51.440 –> 00:46:55.940
And the government chooses, they make a firm

00:46:55.940 –> 00:46:59.179
decision to not tell everyone. Don’t tell anybody.

00:46:59.639 –> 00:47:03.420
And they’re, because it will just cause panic.

00:47:03.460 –> 00:47:07.539
It will just make everyone crazy. Everyone’s

00:47:07.539 –> 00:47:09.579
going to die anyway. We may as well die peacefully

00:47:09.579 –> 00:47:12.719
without. Let them die peacefully in their sleep.

00:47:12.940 –> 00:47:15.900
Yeah. So the government made the decision to

00:47:15.900 –> 00:47:18.179
just make sure nobody knows about this. And they

00:47:18.179 –> 00:47:20.500
were calling the scientists crazy. They’re like,

00:47:20.599 –> 00:47:23.039
no, those guys, they’re trying to tell you that

00:47:23.039 –> 00:47:24.739
there’s something coming to kill everyone. They’re

00:47:24.739 –> 00:47:28.119
completely wrong. And that’s the gaslighting.

00:47:28.239 –> 00:47:30.159
Yeah. The government. We need to tie into this.

00:47:30.380 –> 00:47:34.340
But they were justified. It was appropriate because.

00:47:34.400 –> 00:47:36.989
They had a reason to just. The gaslight. They

00:47:36.989 –> 00:47:38.630
were persuading. They were trying to persuade

00:47:38.630 –> 00:47:42.030
the people to be comfortable because, you know,

00:47:42.030 –> 00:47:43.349
these scientists, they don’t really know what

00:47:43.349 –> 00:47:45.409
they’re talking about. It was, well, yeah. And

00:47:45.409 –> 00:47:47.309
it was going to happen anyway. There’s nothing

00:47:47.309 –> 00:47:50.170
they could have done about it. Yeah. The idea

00:47:50.170 –> 00:47:52.130
of you can’t see it. Don’t look up now because

00:47:52.130 –> 00:47:53.949
you can’t even see it. But even when it gets

00:47:53.949 –> 00:47:55.369
close enough that you can see it, don’t look

00:47:55.369 –> 00:47:57.150
up. You don’t need to worry about that. Right.

00:47:57.570 –> 00:47:59.550
It’s the second sun in the sky. Don’t worry about

00:47:59.550 –> 00:48:02.510
it. Don’t worry about that. So that was the first

00:48:02.510 –> 00:48:05.860
one. The second one is the House of Cards TV

00:48:05.860 –> 00:48:16.179
show where it’s the nitty gritty life of a man

00:48:16.179 –> 00:48:22.420
that becomes president and all of the soft blackmail

00:48:22.420 –> 00:48:26.460
that he does to get there and to stay in office

00:48:26.460 –> 00:48:29.619
and get everything that he wants done, done.

00:48:30.079 –> 00:48:36.639
Even killing people. Even making the legislators,

00:48:37.059 –> 00:48:40.559
the senators, making the senators and the governors

00:48:40.559 –> 00:48:43.059
and all of them make decisions that he wanted

00:48:43.059 –> 00:48:45.699
them to make, even though their logic was like

00:48:45.699 –> 00:48:47.800
their own individual logic was against those

00:48:47.800 –> 00:48:52.500
decisions, because he saw that he needed something

00:48:52.500 –> 00:48:56.480
to happen. And sometimes he would be like, well,

00:48:56.599 –> 00:49:00.170
you can’t. You can’t have this other thing that

00:49:00.170 –> 00:49:02.150
you really want if you’re not going to vote yes

00:49:02.150 –> 00:49:05.789
on this thing that I want, you know? He was using

00:49:05.789 –> 00:49:10.750
all of his power to make… Manipulation. Right.

00:49:11.769 –> 00:49:14.289
But was it persuasion? Was he trying to persuade?

00:49:15.849 –> 00:49:18.929
Where does persuasion drop to manipulation in

00:49:18.929 –> 00:49:25.550
that case? All persuasion is manipulation. Is

00:49:25.550 –> 00:49:30.369
it? Okay. And in gaslighting too, is it gaslighting

00:49:30.369 –> 00:49:32.750
immediately up front? Persuasion and manipulation

00:49:32.750 –> 00:49:34.889
are both gaslighting. You’re trying to convince

00:49:34.889 –> 00:49:37.010
someone else that what they currently think is

00:49:37.010 –> 00:49:44.909
wrong. Right. Right. And persuasion is a win

00:49:44.909 –> 00:49:48.289
-win, right? Is what we’re looking for. That’s

00:49:48.289 –> 00:49:49.969
what we’re trying to find. Is persuasion even

00:49:49.969 –> 00:49:54.349
a win -win? if someone is persuaded they had

00:49:54.349 –> 00:49:59.809
a change of heart they so i mean maybe maybe

00:49:59.809 –> 00:50:03.469
they all i would have to watch the show again

00:50:03.469 –> 00:50:09.630
in today’s frame of mind i would think then the

00:50:09.630 –> 00:50:12.730
manipulation would mean if you don’t do this

00:50:12.730 –> 00:50:15.070
for me i won’t give you this over here that i

00:50:15.070 –> 00:50:18.050
control clearly yeah if you want this that i’m

00:50:18.050 –> 00:50:20.599
controlling clearly i can release it to you But

00:50:20.599 –> 00:50:22.840
you’ve got to give me this. That’s a manipulation.

00:50:23.039 –> 00:50:26.639
That’s a tit for tat, a trade, this for that

00:50:26.639 –> 00:50:29.460
thing. And so that’s manipulative. That’s not

00:50:29.460 –> 00:50:32.059
persuasion. Persuasion is, I know that this is

00:50:32.059 –> 00:50:34.500
the right concept. This is the right idea. And

00:50:34.500 –> 00:50:37.440
here’s my supporting factors, my justification,

00:50:37.800 –> 00:50:41.179
my defensive stance. I’m going to defend it based

00:50:41.179 –> 00:50:43.820
on these. And if you have other things, let’s

00:50:43.820 –> 00:50:46.920
debate back and forth. Hopefully a clear debate

00:50:46.920 –> 00:50:49.219
is going to identify all the principles and then

00:50:49.219 –> 00:50:51.260
you both get to decide. And that’s what I think

00:50:51.260 –> 00:50:54.000
a win -win is. You both see all of the options

00:50:54.000 –> 00:50:57.579
and you both decide it’s best if we follow this

00:50:57.579 –> 00:51:09.659
path. Yeah. So. Did I just have a general, no,

00:51:09.739 –> 00:51:12.360
I just only had two, just the two. I just have

00:51:12.360 –> 00:51:17.500
a general distrust that any citizen is being

00:51:17.500 –> 00:51:23.400
told the whole truth by anyone that’s in power

00:51:23.400 –> 00:51:27.960
because, well, I mean, for starters, citizens

00:51:27.960 –> 00:51:31.619
don’t understand the whole picture, right? And

00:51:31.619 –> 00:51:34.280
so knowing that I don’t understand the whole

00:51:34.280 –> 00:51:37.300
picture. then I also know that I’m not being

00:51:37.300 –> 00:51:40.480
told the whole picture. I’m not being given the

00:51:40.480 –> 00:51:42.039
whole picture because I’m going to misunderstand

00:51:42.039 –> 00:51:46.940
it because I don’t understand it all. Transparency,

00:51:47.000 –> 00:51:49.739
right? If we’re asking for transparency, but

00:51:49.739 –> 00:51:52.679
if they try to show us the whole picture, it’s

00:51:52.679 –> 00:51:55.400
too much. We’re not going to comprehend it. Right.

00:51:55.460 –> 00:52:00.639
And so I know as thus, thus we can know. That

00:52:00.639 –> 00:52:03.300
we’re not being shown the whole picture. Thus,

00:52:03.420 –> 00:52:06.239
there are some things that maybe I would be upset

00:52:06.239 –> 00:52:08.380
about if I did understand the whole picture.

00:52:09.400 –> 00:52:16.820
But I mean, the government, them, the president

00:52:16.820 –> 00:52:21.639
and his cabinet and all of them, they have things

00:52:21.639 –> 00:52:26.079
going on that they don’t want people to know

00:52:26.079 –> 00:52:31.449
about. That are top secret. Yeah. And they’re

00:52:31.449 –> 00:52:33.889
discussing things in meetings that haven’t become

00:52:33.889 –> 00:52:39.570
law yet, but might become law later. They have

00:52:39.570 –> 00:52:52.309
their own jobs and governance. Whatever they’re

00:52:52.309 –> 00:52:54.909
taking care of, they have those in mind first

00:52:54.909 –> 00:53:00.059
and foremost. the citizens. It’s not my needs.

00:53:00.239 –> 00:53:03.719
It’s everybody’s needs. If I was the one person

00:53:03.719 –> 00:53:06.639
on the train track that the train is going to

00:53:06.639 –> 00:53:08.980
run over and there were 10 other people on the

00:53:08.980 –> 00:53:11.519
other one, of course, the government would choose.

00:53:11.920 –> 00:53:14.239
And of course, you have to remember that the

00:53:14.239 –> 00:53:16.739
train can’t be stopped. There’s only these two

00:53:16.739 –> 00:53:19.619
options, run over one person or run over 10.

00:53:19.820 –> 00:53:22.280
And I’m the one person I am going to get run

00:53:22.280 –> 00:53:27.590
over. Because they would choose the greater good.

00:53:28.170 –> 00:53:32.610
They’re not yet there because the government

00:53:32.610 –> 00:53:37.949
has decided that there’s no alternative. So that’s

00:53:37.949 –> 00:53:40.969
the cost. And that’s the justification. The justification

00:53:40.969 –> 00:53:49.230
of they’re grabbing every person out of, like,

00:53:49.289 –> 00:53:52.050
if they need to, they’re going to go into private

00:53:52.050 –> 00:53:55.849
homes and grab the people. Because it’s justified.

00:53:55.989 –> 00:54:03.070
The cost to the house and the kids and everything,

00:54:03.289 –> 00:54:06.989
and maybe losing income because they detained

00:54:06.989 –> 00:54:10.150
this person, that’s all justified cost in the

00:54:10.150 –> 00:54:13.030
name of getting this person out of the United

00:54:13.030 –> 00:54:24.469
States. Okay. And… It didn’t just victimize,

00:54:24.489 –> 00:54:27.250
and I know we don’t want to be victims, but it

00:54:27.250 –> 00:54:29.710
didn’t just victimize that family. Everyone in

00:54:29.710 –> 00:54:35.489
that neighborhood is now on guard. Everyone is

00:54:35.489 –> 00:54:38.150
like, could they come for us? Are they going

00:54:38.150 –> 00:54:40.630
to break into my home now? And I’m kind of thinking

00:54:40.630 –> 00:54:44.369
that too, because I built my house on this lot.

00:54:44.510 –> 00:54:47.070
I know that nobody else has lived in this house

00:54:47.070 –> 00:54:50.150
except me. But the person that owned the lot

00:54:50.150 –> 00:54:52.269
before I moved here, like before I built the

00:54:52.269 –> 00:54:58.190
house, has a foreign last name. And were they

00:54:58.190 –> 00:55:02.469
or their parents or their grandparents legal

00:55:02.469 –> 00:55:05.190
citizens? Could they look at the tax records

00:55:05.190 –> 00:55:09.079
and be like, well… It’s possible in the last

00:55:09.079 –> 00:55:11.760
five years this person has visited this house.

00:55:11.860 –> 00:55:14.059
And so we’re going to break into this house and

00:55:14.059 –> 00:55:16.199
try and find this person. Like I could construe

00:55:16.199 –> 00:55:20.179
all kinds of imaginary scenarios where the government

00:55:20.179 –> 00:55:22.920
thinks that they need to come into my house.

00:55:23.039 –> 00:55:25.059
And I don’t want them to, but they’re going to

00:55:25.059 –> 00:55:28.780
anyway. And this is maybe showing me that I am

00:55:28.780 –> 00:55:32.840
kind of an anxious person when it comes to more

00:55:32.840 –> 00:55:36.590
powerful people than me. Because I know that

00:55:36.590 –> 00:55:40.210
they can take control over me. And I don’t want

00:55:40.210 –> 00:55:47.690
them to. And I can buy a gun and I can stand

00:55:47.690 –> 00:55:49.610
at my door and say, no, you may not come in without

00:55:49.610 –> 00:55:52.250
a warrant because I know that it’s unconstitutional

00:55:52.250 –> 00:55:55.690
for anyone to enter my home, this safe place,

00:55:55.909 –> 00:55:58.630
without a warrant. And they could still shoot

00:55:58.630 –> 00:56:02.150
me in the face and get into my home. Even if

00:56:02.150 –> 00:56:04.639
you’re standing in your home. If you bring out

00:56:04.639 –> 00:56:07.219
a gun, they will see that as a confront. Yeah.

00:56:07.320 –> 00:56:09.739
And they will have to respond with their guns.

00:56:10.079 –> 00:56:15.219
And if you raise it to shoot. Yeah. I maybe don’t

00:56:15.219 –> 00:56:18.440
even have that right. Maybe the Constitution

00:56:18.440 –> 00:56:23.059
means nothing because they can still come in

00:56:23.059 –> 00:56:25.960
and they can still shoot me. And then it can

00:56:25.960 –> 00:56:29.699
still take years for the Supreme Court to decide.

00:56:30.539 –> 00:56:33.400
Are administrative warrants good or are they

00:56:33.400 –> 00:56:37.699
not good? I’m still going to get shot in that

00:56:37.699 –> 00:56:41.199
scenario. And I’d rather just not be shot. Decide

00:56:41.199 –> 00:56:43.699
if it’s a legal thing before you do anything

00:56:43.699 –> 00:56:50.559
with it. Don’t test it. Don’t test it. The cost

00:56:50.559 –> 00:56:53.139
of testing it is too high. Don’t test it. Just

00:56:53.139 –> 00:56:56.659
see. The cost of an individual testing it is

00:56:56.659 –> 00:56:59.260
too high. The cost of the government testing

00:56:59.260 –> 00:57:07.500
it is too high. So you’re saying because it could

00:57:07.500 –> 00:57:12.420
go poorly, don’t do anything. Change the law

00:57:12.420 –> 00:57:15.940
first. Change the law first and then do something.

00:57:16.280 –> 00:57:19.000
Change the law. Make it so that administrative

00:57:19.000 –> 00:57:25.099
orders can get you into a private home before

00:57:25.099 –> 00:57:30.409
you… Use one to get into a private home. If

00:57:30.409 –> 00:57:34.230
that’s what you need, do it. The guy that was

00:57:34.230 –> 00:57:36.469
inside that house wasn’t going anywhere. He was

00:57:36.469 –> 00:57:38.710
doing all of his check -ins. Well, then he should

00:57:38.710 –> 00:57:42.989
have come out. Say, come out. Come on out. All

00:57:42.989 –> 00:57:45.670
right. Let’s talk. That’s a thing. You’re illegal.

00:57:46.070 –> 00:57:49.110
That’s a thing that you are weird. You’re the

00:57:49.110 –> 00:57:51.250
weird one because you’re the one that thinks

00:57:51.250 –> 00:57:56.349
that you would happily let anyone in. He didn’t

00:57:56.349 –> 00:57:58.989
want to leave the country because he would have

00:57:58.989 –> 00:58:03.210
already. I’m weird, and I mentioned that I was

00:58:03.210 –> 00:58:06.190
put in handcuffs once, and it was fine with me.

00:58:06.309 –> 00:58:08.070
That’s cool. It was an interesting experience.

00:58:08.210 –> 00:58:10.630
You liked it. The guy I was with was major upset.

00:58:10.869 –> 00:58:14.170
He thought, you guys don’t have any right. They

00:58:14.170 –> 00:58:16.349
have every right. They have handcuffs, and they

00:58:16.349 –> 00:58:18.809
have guns, and they’re the police. Put you in

00:58:18.809 –> 00:58:21.809
handcuffs to detain you. I was detained. You

00:58:21.809 –> 00:58:23.690
know, physically, I should be major complaining

00:58:23.690 –> 00:58:26.869
about that. But until they figured out that we

00:58:26.869 –> 00:58:28.750
weren’t stealing gas from the airplane, we were

00:58:28.750 –> 00:58:31.030
actually filling it appropriately. They had to

00:58:31.030 –> 00:58:32.730
call the owner of the airplane. He said, you

00:58:32.730 –> 00:58:35.590
know, two in the morning. He said, yeah, it’s

00:58:35.590 –> 00:58:39.050
fine. They can do this. So they let us go and

00:58:39.050 –> 00:58:41.230
said, okay, everything checks out. You guys have

00:58:41.230 –> 00:58:43.929
a nice night. Yeah. I don’t remember this story,

00:58:44.150 –> 00:58:46.630
but you were filling a small aircraft in the

00:58:46.630 –> 00:58:48.909
middle of the night and someone called the cops

00:58:48.909 –> 00:58:53.280
on you. Right. Well, the cops were just patrolling

00:58:53.280 –> 00:58:55.699
the airport because no one’s generally around

00:58:55.699 –> 00:58:57.960
there at night. It was just a small town airport

00:58:57.960 –> 00:59:00.340
somewhere around Phoenix. But we flew back in.

00:59:00.360 –> 00:59:03.300
It was about one in the morning or so. And this

00:59:03.300 –> 00:59:05.840
airplane was geared to run on car gas. And so

00:59:05.840 –> 00:59:07.400
they had a little pump right there that I was

00:59:07.400 –> 00:59:10.280
going to fill it back up out of my car. And that’s

00:59:10.280 –> 00:59:12.340
what we had, the pump going to the car. So the

00:59:12.340 –> 00:59:14.980
police drove up and saw this hose going from

00:59:14.980 –> 00:59:18.110
the airplane to the car. And saying, you guys

00:59:18.110 –> 00:59:21.469
have to be doing something wrong. Yeah. And so

00:59:21.469 –> 00:59:25.269
the suspicion of crime was there. They suspected

00:59:25.269 –> 00:59:26.849
it. They didn’t have to get a judge’s warrant

00:59:26.849 –> 00:59:31.289
to go in and lock us up. They detained us. And

00:59:31.289 –> 00:59:33.010
it was fine by me. I knew we weren’t doing anything

00:59:33.010 –> 00:59:36.210
wrong. Right. It was just upsetting. I guess

00:59:36.210 –> 00:59:37.730
not really upsetting because the guy owned the

00:59:37.730 –> 00:59:40.329
plane. He knew that the owner of the plane knows

00:59:40.329 –> 00:59:43.110
this things might happen. So he was fine being

00:59:43.110 –> 00:59:44.670
woken up at three in the morning. He didn’t say

00:59:44.670 –> 00:59:46.630
anything. He didn’t say he was upset. What’d

00:59:46.630 –> 00:59:49.150
you guys ruin my sleep for? Don’t come back at

00:59:49.150 –> 00:59:59.949
1 in the morning. But why did they handcuff you?

01:00:01.590 –> 01:00:04.349
So that I wouldn’t run or fight them. Clearly,

01:00:04.349 –> 01:00:06.710
they were talking about their safety. They needed

01:00:06.710 –> 01:00:10.949
to be safe. Because the other guy was being belligerent.

01:00:11.070 –> 01:00:13.329
He was saying, do you have a warrant? You can’t

01:00:13.329 –> 01:00:16.449
ask us his questions. You can’t do this. You

01:00:16.449 –> 01:00:18.469
guys can do whatever you want. You’re the ones

01:00:18.469 –> 01:00:22.409
in authority. I’m going to identify that you’re

01:00:22.409 –> 01:00:23.969
the one in authority. I’m just going to stand

01:00:23.969 –> 01:00:27.130
here and you can check. Let’s identify the plane.

01:00:27.190 –> 01:00:28.789
I can tell you the whole story of why we’re doing

01:00:28.789 –> 01:00:30.989
what we’re doing, and it’s not illegal. But because

01:00:30.989 –> 01:00:32.650
he was being belligerent, they had to handcuff

01:00:32.650 –> 01:00:34.429
us. So they said, we’re not going to have any

01:00:34.429 –> 01:00:36.769
challenge while we’re checking this out. Because

01:00:36.769 –> 01:00:39.670
someone who’s going to fight the police, when

01:00:39.670 –> 01:00:41.170
the police is on the phone talking to the guy

01:00:41.170 –> 01:00:42.610
looking the other way, you’re going to get a

01:00:42.610 –> 01:00:44.969
two -by -four and hit him in the head. Don’t

01:00:44.969 –> 01:00:48.420
do that. Yeah. The police are afraid for themselves.

01:00:49.179 –> 01:00:52.099
For their safety. Yeah. They put you in handcuffs.

01:00:52.139 –> 01:00:55.900
So that’s the reason why ICE agents shoot people

01:00:55.900 –> 01:00:59.840
is because they’re afraid for themselves. And

01:00:59.840 –> 01:01:04.739
that’s why officers detain you in a traffic stop

01:01:04.739 –> 01:01:07.559
because you’re starting to be a little bit more

01:01:07.559 –> 01:01:10.300
than they think they can handle realistically.

01:01:12.159 –> 01:01:18.059
Right. comply a hundred percent if you do everything

01:01:18.059 –> 01:01:21.599
that they say then nothing can go wrong you won’t

01:01:21.599 –> 01:01:25.960
get handcuffs yeah um you may still be under

01:01:25.960 –> 01:01:27.860
arrest they may say you know we have this warrant

01:01:27.860 –> 01:01:31.360
for you or we have this suspicion that’s you

01:01:31.360 –> 01:01:33.599
know they are they planted the drugs to be more

01:01:33.599 –> 01:01:36.860
than a suspicion it has to be beyond reasonable

01:01:36.860 –> 01:01:40.599
doubt reasonable doubt and that’s the subjective

01:01:40.599 –> 01:01:44.199
word And that’s why they go to court over things

01:01:44.199 –> 01:01:47.159
that happen like that because what is reasonable?

01:01:47.199 –> 01:01:49.059
The judge needs to decide what was reasonable

01:01:49.059 –> 01:01:59.260
or not. Right. So freely giving up your rights

01:01:59.260 –> 01:02:06.679
as a citizen then. Like I have a right to keep

01:02:06.679 –> 01:02:14.440
my private home. safe unless an authority threatens

01:02:14.440 –> 01:02:17.000
that even a little bit. And then I’m going to

01:02:17.000 –> 01:02:20.159
give them, give my rights away and let them in

01:02:20.159 –> 01:02:22.000
and let them do whatever they want because they

01:02:22.000 –> 01:02:26.159
have authority, even though I have my rights

01:02:26.159 –> 01:02:31.400
to keep this safe. See, and the answer to that

01:02:31.400 –> 01:02:35.300
or the other complaint against that is what the

01:02:35.300 –> 01:02:38.659
protesters are saying. How do we know that you’re

01:02:38.659 –> 01:02:42.159
really ICE? I mean, you’re masked, you’ve got

01:02:42.159 –> 01:02:44.239
this garb, anyone can come and look like that.

01:02:44.260 –> 01:02:46.659
You’re not using police vehicles, you’re using

01:02:46.659 –> 01:02:51.400
SUVs that are rented cars. So how do we know

01:02:51.400 –> 01:02:54.400
that you’re really ICE if you’re not going to

01:02:54.400 –> 01:02:58.960
prove your identity to us? So you wonder that.

01:02:59.079 –> 01:03:03.500
Maybe the authority figure that comes in, there’s

01:03:03.500 –> 01:03:05.440
movies about that too, someone coming in saying

01:03:05.440 –> 01:03:07.139
they’re police and actually they’re just the

01:03:07.139 –> 01:03:11.840
murderer. Yeah. And want to look like they’re

01:03:11.840 –> 01:03:14.239
an official. That’s how they gain control of

01:03:14.239 –> 01:03:16.159
the situation. Because, yeah, necessarily we

01:03:16.159 –> 01:03:18.280
trust the authority. But those movies are written

01:03:18.280 –> 01:03:21.579
so that you don’t trust authority. Right. I frankly

01:03:21.579 –> 01:03:27.280
trust authority. Well, in my area, I don’t think

01:03:27.280 –> 01:03:29.260
it would be difficult for someone to come in

01:03:29.260 –> 01:03:31.420
as a bad actor and act like they’re a police

01:03:31.420 –> 01:03:36.179
officer. Right. It’s not going to be viewed appropriately

01:03:36.179 –> 01:03:40.139
here. We’re in the city. Anyone could go in and

01:03:40.139 –> 01:03:42.500
act like a police officer and actually do anything

01:03:42.500 –> 01:03:46.860
they want. Right. And I’m sure that happens,

01:03:47.119 –> 01:03:50.860
personating police officers, impersonating the

01:03:50.860 –> 01:04:01.880
authority. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like to me that

01:04:01.880 –> 01:04:04.800
that’s just another thing that people can complain

01:04:04.800 –> 01:04:08.659
about. Like, what if they’re really not? ice

01:04:08.659 –> 01:04:11.260
agents what if this whole group of people here

01:04:11.260 –> 01:04:15.280
are actually not agents but that’s like beside

01:04:15.280 –> 01:04:19.840
the point that’s that’s not what we are really

01:04:19.840 –> 01:04:22.380
complaining about we’re really complaining that

01:04:22.380 –> 01:04:29.659
the cost of people dying isn’t worth the the

01:04:29.659 –> 01:04:33.239
gain of whatever it is they’re trying to gain

01:04:33.239 –> 01:04:41.130
seeing the people dying Yeah, as people dying

01:04:41.130 –> 01:04:45.369
or, right, all of the damages that are happening

01:04:45.369 –> 01:04:49.630
that’s going to take years to go through the

01:04:49.630 –> 01:04:55.230
courts and see if, I mean, there are cases, there

01:04:55.230 –> 01:04:58.190
are murder cases being heard finally in the courts

01:04:58.190 –> 01:05:01.690
from two years ago. Like someone died two years

01:05:01.690 –> 01:05:05.969
ago and finally they’re doing the trial for the

01:05:05.969 –> 01:05:13.530
murder. That weight would be excruciating. Like,

01:05:13.550 –> 01:05:17.789
well, it’s the justice system, though. This is

01:05:17.789 –> 01:05:21.530
you have to go through the process. Due process

01:05:21.530 –> 01:05:24.590
takes five years. It was what Lori Vallow and

01:05:24.590 –> 01:05:27.449
Chad Daybell up here in this area with their

01:05:27.449 –> 01:05:30.030
kids. That was a five, six year process. Yeah.

01:05:30.090 –> 01:05:32.210
You just told everybody that you live in that

01:05:32.210 –> 01:05:39.469
area. Yeah. Yeah, Eastern United States, Western

01:05:39.469 –> 01:05:45.050
something. Western United States, right. Specifically

01:05:45.050 –> 01:05:49.909
where you live. And it’s the same thing with

01:05:49.909 –> 01:05:52.650
Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was so huge, though,

01:05:52.730 –> 01:05:54.869
that they’re into that trial. It didn’t take

01:05:54.869 –> 01:05:57.369
five years to get into it. They’re into it now

01:05:57.369 –> 01:06:00.989
within a year. Yeah. Because it’s a major case.

01:06:01.230 –> 01:06:04.309
That’s a major thing. I mean, these kids that

01:06:04.309 –> 01:06:08.269
were killed. That wasn’t such a big deal. It

01:06:08.269 –> 01:06:10.469
was interesting, but it wasn’t a big deal that

01:06:10.469 –> 01:06:15.530
had to be resolved quickly. Right. They’re fast

01:06:15.530 –> 01:06:20.210
-tracking the Charlie Curt case, it seems. Yeah,

01:06:20.309 –> 01:06:24.449
that feels gross to me, too, fast -tracking.

01:06:25.590 –> 01:06:27.769
Because the guy’s not going anywhere. He’s in

01:06:27.769 –> 01:06:32.190
prison. Why do they need to fast -track that?

01:06:32.960 –> 01:06:34.559
And whether they’re fast tracking or they’ve

01:06:34.559 –> 01:06:36.219
got enough evidence that they feel they can move

01:06:36.219 –> 01:06:40.980
forward safely, appropriately. Yeah. There’s

01:06:40.980 –> 01:06:44.739
not a lot that happened there. I mean, with the

01:06:44.739 –> 01:06:48.880
Daybell case, there was eight years worth of

01:06:48.880 –> 01:06:52.340
history to unwrap, to put into that trial first.

01:06:52.579 –> 01:06:55.320
Yeah. A lot of history that had to be considered

01:06:55.320 –> 01:06:58.280
in regard to what got up to the time that the

01:06:58.280 –> 01:07:01.400
kids disappeared or were found in the art. Right.

01:07:07.469 –> 01:07:12.670
The legal authority, that’s the challenge you

01:07:12.670 –> 01:07:14.969
have when you’re operating in a society of laws.

01:07:15.289 –> 01:07:17.889
If you’re operating in a monarchy or a kingdom

01:07:17.889 –> 01:07:20.650
where the king makes all the choices, and really

01:07:20.650 –> 01:07:22.610
there’s no monarchies that that happens. You’ve

01:07:22.610 –> 01:07:24.489
got parliament where there’s a king on the art

01:07:24.489 –> 01:07:26.590
here. Where you have kings, there’s a parliament

01:07:26.590 –> 01:07:30.690
in England that they have to work with. There

01:07:30.690 –> 01:07:32.489
are probably countries that operate with a king,

01:07:32.630 –> 01:07:35.949
perhaps even Iran. The ruler of Iran is a…

01:07:36.489 –> 01:07:42.409
dictatorial ruler, Xi Jinping or China. China

01:07:42.409 –> 01:07:45.349
probably is the dictator. So they’re not bouncing

01:07:45.349 –> 01:07:47.750
off two or three different people. You’ve got

01:07:47.750 –> 01:07:50.010
the three branches of government here under a

01:07:50.010 –> 01:07:53.530
system of law. You do have the right and the

01:07:53.530 –> 01:07:56.769
ability, part of your right is to get those to

01:07:56.769 –> 01:07:59.530
communicate with each other and to confirm. It’s

01:07:59.530 –> 01:08:01.909
a win -win, a win for the legislative and the

01:08:01.909 –> 01:08:03.889
executive and the judicial. If it wins all three

01:08:03.889 –> 01:08:06.010
of them, then we can do it. If one of them thinks

01:08:06.010 –> 01:08:09.510
it’s a loss, we can’t do it. Yeah. What about

01:08:09.510 –> 01:08:14.909
executive orders? Like, I’m going to do it anyway.

01:08:15.409 –> 01:08:25.430
Can they do that? An executive order. The legislative

01:08:25.430 –> 01:08:28.710
can always disband an executive order. But it

01:08:28.710 –> 01:08:30.069
takes a process, right? If they feel it’s inappropriate.

01:08:30.829 –> 01:08:33.029
There’s a process still to do it. Or someone

01:08:33.029 –> 01:08:35.479
can take it to the court system. An executive

01:08:35.479 –> 01:08:38.359
order is just as much suable as anything else.

01:08:39.140 –> 01:08:43.300
But it’s just the executive order, that’s the

01:08:43.300 –> 01:08:47.119
administration taking action, saying, I’m acting,

01:08:47.340 –> 01:08:50.140
and I’m acting based on the laws that are in

01:08:50.140 –> 01:08:52.140
place. So he’s still, all the executive orders

01:08:52.140 –> 01:08:54.680
have to adhere to the law. He can’t put an executive

01:08:54.680 –> 01:08:58.920
order out to eradicate all Iranians or to, like

01:08:58.920 –> 01:09:02.180
in the case of World War II, to concentrate camp

01:09:02.180 –> 01:09:05.579
all Japanese citizens. They can’t do that? The

01:09:05.579 –> 01:09:09.119
executive order couldn’t run. Well. He could

01:09:09.119 –> 01:09:10.680
ride it. He could ride it. But I don’t think

01:09:10.680 –> 01:09:11.939
it would fly. I don’t think he would be able

01:09:11.939 –> 01:09:20.720
to do that. Why not? So let’s say we’re on the

01:09:20.720 –> 01:09:24.239
precipice of a potential war fighting with Iran.

01:09:24.619 –> 01:09:28.500
And there are Iranians here, Persians. The people

01:09:28.500 –> 01:09:32.760
are just fine. It’s the rulers. It’s the regime.

01:09:33.289 –> 01:09:36.510
That is the problem. So hopefully the war will

01:09:36.510 –> 01:09:38.449
just be able to eradicate that regime and stop

01:09:38.449 –> 01:09:43.069
it from using the, I don’t know, let’s not get

01:09:43.069 –> 01:09:46.470
into that so much. But it could be potential

01:09:46.470 –> 01:09:50.189
because there just recently been orders to evacuate

01:09:50.189 –> 01:09:55.449
Israel and embassies in the Middle East for all

01:09:55.449 –> 01:10:02.149
American citizens to get out if they can. With

01:10:02.149 –> 01:10:05.590
that in play, you could say now there’s an order

01:10:05.590 –> 01:10:10.289
that’s going to incarcerate or concentration

01:10:10.289 –> 01:10:14.770
camp all Iranians in the U .S. I don’t know why

01:10:14.770 –> 01:10:16.850
that would be the case, but that is what happened

01:10:16.850 –> 01:10:24.229
in Japan when Japan took over Hawaii with Pearl

01:10:24.229 –> 01:10:28.010
Harbor. They concentrated camped all Japanese.

01:10:29.159 –> 01:10:31.319
It was probably a wrong move. It was stupid.

01:10:31.460 –> 01:10:35.720
But they did it. And people let it fly. Yeah.

01:10:35.859 –> 01:10:39.100
And it happened. And that was kind of the same

01:10:39.100 –> 01:10:41.819
thing around 9 -11, where the Muslims, they were

01:10:41.819 –> 01:10:43.739
talking about doing that. Everyone was afraid

01:10:43.739 –> 01:10:48.260
of any dark -skinned Arab -looking person. Yeah.

01:10:48.520 –> 01:10:56.340
So it’s just… And that’s the gaslighting idea.

01:10:57.300 –> 01:11:02.579
Who’s in the right? Does Iran have every right

01:11:02.579 –> 01:11:05.000
to create a nuclear weapon? They believe they

01:11:05.000 –> 01:11:08.239
do. And if they refuse to diplomatically stop

01:11:08.239 –> 01:11:11.939
and they say, I would accept you coming in and

01:11:11.939 –> 01:11:16.880
trying to force us to stop, then that’s what

01:11:16.880 –> 01:11:19.659
they’ll say because they’re in the right. Yeah.

01:11:22.680 –> 01:11:28.550
They have whatever reasons. That’s why conflict

01:11:28.550 –> 01:11:31.550
occurs. Conflict occurs because both sides believe

01:11:31.550 –> 01:11:33.930
they’re on the right side and they conflict with

01:11:33.930 –> 01:11:36.109
what the other one believes is the right side.

01:11:36.310 –> 01:11:39.789
They’re at odds. So what your initial question

01:11:39.789 –> 01:11:43.329
was, is it worth testing that conflict? Is it

01:11:43.329 –> 01:11:45.449
worth going in with administrative orders and

01:11:45.449 –> 01:11:52.829
causing pain to the other side? Right. should

01:11:52.829 –> 01:11:55.449
you continue talking or should you just say,

01:11:55.550 –> 01:11:57.170
I know it’s going to cause you pain, so I’m not

01:11:57.170 –> 01:12:00.350
going to present my side anymore. And what that

01:12:00.350 –> 01:12:02.710
is, is a stonewall. You put a stonewall between

01:12:02.710 –> 01:12:04.569
the two of you and say, we’re just not going

01:12:04.569 –> 01:12:06.550
to talk with Iran. The U .S. and Iran aren’t

01:12:06.550 –> 01:12:09.369
going to talk. The ICE agents and the migrants

01:12:09.369 –> 01:12:14.109
aren’t going to talk. As opposed to, I believe

01:12:14.109 –> 01:12:15.750
I have the right to do this. I’m going to do

01:12:15.750 –> 01:12:17.970
this. I’m going to talk with you. If you want

01:12:17.970 –> 01:12:20.340
to talk, we’ll discuss it. We’ll detain you,

01:12:20.420 –> 01:12:22.279
we’ll take you to the court, and they can release

01:12:22.279 –> 01:12:24.119
you, just like the gentleman we were talking

01:12:24.119 –> 01:12:26.100
about, his wife, saying they shouldn’t have broken

01:12:26.100 –> 01:12:29.020
our door. They didn’t have to break the door.

01:12:29.119 –> 01:12:33.899
She refused entry for a valid question that this

01:12:33.899 –> 01:12:35.859
person, the administration, thought they had

01:12:35.859 –> 01:12:38.060
a valid question. The family thought they didn’t

01:12:38.060 –> 01:12:40.060
have a valid question, but the family still knew

01:12:40.060 –> 01:12:44.500
he was there doing his check -ins, so clearly

01:12:44.500 –> 01:12:48.109
he was of a status that allowed a question. They

01:12:48.109 –> 01:12:49.869
said, I don’t like this question, though, so

01:12:49.869 –> 01:12:53.510
don’t come in unless you have a warrant. Yeah,

01:12:53.529 –> 01:12:56.250
maybe they could have done all of that outside.

01:12:56.350 –> 01:12:58.289
But she said, you can’t come in unless you have

01:12:58.289 –> 01:13:03.689
a warrant. And they got in anyway. I mean, it’s

01:13:03.689 –> 01:13:07.149
not whether they knew that he needed to talk

01:13:07.149 –> 01:13:09.270
to them or not. It’s they were coming into the

01:13:09.270 –> 01:13:13.909
house to get him. And that’s the testing that

01:13:13.909 –> 01:13:17.319
we’re talking about. Yeah, it’s the… Does this

01:13:17.319 –> 01:13:22.220
administrative warrant count? She knew it didn’t

01:13:22.220 –> 01:13:23.640
count. If you set your procedures to do something.

01:13:25.000 –> 01:13:28.439
She knew. She knew her Fourth Amendment rights.

01:13:28.539 –> 01:13:31.859
She knew that they’re not allowed to come into

01:13:31.859 –> 01:13:39.539
a house without an actual warrant. Is it possible

01:13:39.539 –> 01:13:49.560
that she was wrong? That she, it wasn’t wrong.

01:13:49.560 –> 01:13:52.060
That she was wrong in what she knew. She knew

01:13:52.060 –> 01:13:54.539
they could not come in without a warrant. Right.

01:13:54.560 –> 01:13:56.720
Is it possible that her knowledge was incorrect?

01:13:58.279 –> 01:14:01.199
It’s possible that anyone’s knowledge is incorrect,

01:14:01.319 –> 01:14:06.260
but her knowledge was not incorrect. You do need

01:14:06.260 –> 01:14:11.399
a warrant. What the high level warrant. So why

01:14:11.399 –> 01:14:14.699
is this even a question? to get into a house.

01:14:14.880 –> 01:14:17.399
What does the Fourth Amendment say? Do you understand

01:14:17.399 –> 01:14:23.060
that? Fourth Amendment? Okay, so what you’re

01:14:23.060 –> 01:14:26.560
proposing there is that ICE is absolutely illegal

01:14:26.560 –> 01:14:30.680
in their actions right now. That’s right. They’re

01:14:30.680 –> 01:14:33.340
testing that maybe an administrative warrant

01:14:33.340 –> 01:14:40.460
is okay. They’re believing that it’s okay. Clearly,

01:14:40.600 –> 01:14:42.800
the statement is, we believe that we’re right

01:14:42.800 –> 01:14:45.479
in this stance. They’re taking this stance. They’re

01:14:45.479 –> 01:14:47.260
putting in a standard operating procedure. They’re

01:14:47.260 –> 01:14:49.340
proceeding based on that, that it’s a correct

01:14:49.340 –> 01:14:54.460
action. So they have knowledge that they’re doing

01:14:54.460 –> 01:14:57.399
right. The other person has knowledge that they’re

01:14:57.399 –> 01:15:01.180
doing wrong. Yes. The person with the higher

01:15:01.180 –> 01:15:06.579
authority is the one that’s going to win out.

01:15:06.619 –> 01:15:09.590
Actually. And the gentleman was released from

01:15:09.590 –> 01:15:11.810
jail. They didn’t have to have a broken door.

01:15:11.909 –> 01:15:15.069
They didn’t have to have an illegal entry. They

01:15:15.069 –> 01:15:16.729
could have just gone to the judge and the judge

01:15:16.729 –> 01:15:18.529
said, you know, he checked in last week. He’s

01:15:18.529 –> 01:15:20.409
going to check in this week. So he would have

01:15:20.409 –> 01:15:24.130
been in the local detention for a week and then

01:15:24.130 –> 01:15:26.170
gone back to his family if that’s where he is.

01:15:26.270 –> 01:15:28.170
If he was put back to his family, that would

01:15:28.170 –> 01:15:30.510
have happened anyway, whether they got into an

01:15:30.510 –> 01:15:38.850
altercation about it or not. Fourth Amendment

01:15:38.850 –> 01:15:41.789
Constitution protects individuals, gets a great

01:15:41.789 –> 01:15:44.130
couple searches and seizures of government, ensuring

01:15:44.130 –> 01:15:46.970
security in their person, houses, papers, and

01:15:46.970 –> 01:15:50.149
effects. Warrants to be supported by probable

01:15:50.149 –> 01:15:53.350
cause and specifically describe the place and

01:15:53.350 –> 01:16:17.289
items to be searched and seized. Well, it’s clearly

01:16:17.289 –> 01:16:21.489
an item discussed because it’s out there in the

01:16:21.489 –> 01:16:24.409
public. And even that article that you had sent

01:16:24.409 –> 01:16:29.789
says it wasn’t initially treated. That’s not

01:16:29.789 –> 01:16:32.770
been tested in case law as far as administrative

01:16:32.770 –> 01:16:37.810
warrants. That’s why it’s even in question. They’re

01:16:37.810 –> 01:16:40.270
not testing it. just for the sake of testing

01:16:40.270 –> 01:16:42.609
it. Say, let’s just test this so we can see if

01:16:42.609 –> 01:16:46.010
it’s real. They’re acting it because they feel

01:16:46.010 –> 01:16:49.489
it’s a valid tool to use to accomplish the goal

01:16:49.489 –> 01:16:53.270
that they have. So I’m acting on this legally,

01:16:53.430 –> 01:16:56.210
appropriately, in the best of our knowledge,

01:16:56.369 –> 01:16:59.729
we’re acting on this. So they’re not trying to

01:16:59.729 –> 01:17:01.970
do, that’s what I’d call malicious. They’re not

01:17:01.970 –> 01:17:03.470
being malicious. They’re not saying, I’m going

01:17:03.470 –> 01:17:05.670
to see how much pain I can cause common citizens

01:17:05.670 –> 01:17:09.890
by using this. because the law doesn’t specifically

01:17:09.890 –> 01:17:14.989
deny it. The malicious part might be putting

01:17:14.989 –> 01:17:20.130
out the memo in secret and not making it official

01:17:20.130 –> 01:17:26.189
policy of the ICE department and not letting

01:17:26.189 –> 01:17:28.930
people take pictures or document the memo, just

01:17:28.930 –> 01:17:30.829
saying, read this with your eyes, give it back

01:17:30.829 –> 01:17:34.470
to me, and go and train them like this. That

01:17:34.470 –> 01:17:40.720
might be the malicious part. Because the memo

01:17:40.720 –> 01:17:45.859
was distributed in secret. That’s what he said

01:17:45.859 –> 01:17:55.039
he saw. Is it possible he’s lying? Well, the

01:17:55.039 –> 01:17:58.800
memo was dated and the memo was produced to the

01:17:58.800 –> 01:18:01.220
whistleblower, whatever, on that link that I

01:18:01.220 –> 01:18:08.689
sent you. And that it was dated. Months before

01:18:08.689 –> 01:18:12.390
that, even before he was even hired, it was a

01:18:12.390 –> 01:18:17.750
year old memo. Right. By the time he saw it.

01:18:18.710 –> 01:18:22.829
And it’s still not the policy. It can’t be the

01:18:22.829 –> 01:18:25.409
policy because it goes against the Constitution.

01:18:25.510 –> 01:18:29.470
It has to be an internal. OK, this is how we’re

01:18:29.470 –> 01:18:31.930
going to treat these situations. Internal procedure.

01:18:33.270 –> 01:18:37.250
OK. And it’s not documented. It’s in this memo.

01:18:37.850 –> 01:18:47.409
That’s all it is. And they, these malicious actors

01:18:47.409 –> 01:18:54.670
that are they, they are, it’s clear to me that

01:18:54.670 –> 01:18:59.689
the Schwenk guy is telling the truth as he knows

01:18:59.689 –> 01:19:03.390
it. He’s not being paid off by the Democrats.

01:19:04.709 –> 01:19:09.770
He’s telling the truth as he sees it. He’s a

01:19:09.770 –> 01:19:13.489
good guy that felt wrong. He felt bad for how

01:19:13.489 –> 01:19:15.750
it was going, and so he quit his job so that

01:19:15.750 –> 01:19:23.010
he could testify against the whole system. And

01:19:23.010 –> 01:19:27.310
that’s very believable to me. I believe this

01:19:27.310 –> 01:19:34.960
guy is telling the truth. Okay. And he’s telling

01:19:34.960 –> 01:19:39.399
the truth from his level of bias. He wasn’t happy

01:19:39.399 –> 01:19:43.539
with seeing that memo. That didn’t please him.

01:19:43.800 –> 01:19:47.239
Yeah, it went against what he knew about the

01:19:47.239 –> 01:19:51.500
rights of citizens. What he felt the Fourth Amendment

01:19:51.500 –> 01:19:55.039
means, he says, this is completely backwards.

01:19:55.520 –> 01:20:01.640
And so he’s testifying to that effect. He worked

01:20:01.640 –> 01:20:09.029
for the… Not the DOJ. He worked for this. I

01:20:09.029 –> 01:20:11.970
mean, I keep saying ICE, but ICE feels like a

01:20:11.970 –> 01:20:15.529
derogatory term at this point. It is ICE, though.

01:20:15.569 –> 01:20:18.449
He worked for DHS for four years before he was

01:20:18.449 –> 01:20:21.710
transferred to this new role. And in this new

01:20:21.710 –> 01:20:26.289
role, he was given the memo for his eyes to read

01:20:26.289 –> 01:20:31.890
only and then to go ahead and teach the trainees.

01:20:34.510 –> 01:20:42.590
That’s what he says, and I believe him. Okay.

01:20:45.510 –> 01:20:55.390
Here is… You believe him, so you believe he

01:20:55.390 –> 01:20:59.510
is God. I believe he’s not God. I believe he…

01:21:01.079 –> 01:21:05.039
is following his conscience, which is biased

01:21:05.039 –> 01:21:08.380
to against the government. He’s trying to tell

01:21:08.380 –> 01:21:11.119
a story. His story includes, these guys told

01:21:11.119 –> 01:21:13.359
me to do this and not to tell anybody. It was

01:21:13.359 –> 01:21:15.319
an internal memo. Internal memos aren’t shared

01:21:15.319 –> 01:21:18.020
with the world. Certainly, you know, you read

01:21:18.020 –> 01:21:19.600
it right now, I’m going to, you know, this is

01:21:19.600 –> 01:21:21.600
the actual signed copy or whatever, you know.

01:21:23.600 –> 01:21:25.800
We didn’t send it to you in email because it’s

01:21:25.800 –> 01:21:28.000
not public knowledge. This is a copy. I’m going

01:21:28.000 –> 01:21:29.649
to put it back in the file. when you’re done

01:21:29.649 –> 01:21:31.250
looking at it. So you read it, I’ll put it back

01:21:31.250 –> 01:21:32.810
in the file. Everyone’s going to read that same

01:21:32.810 –> 01:21:34.470
document from the file because it’s internal.

01:21:37.949 –> 01:21:40.710
So there’s reasons to have your operating procedures

01:21:40.710 –> 01:21:43.350
not be told, not to tell the secret sauce of

01:21:43.350 –> 01:21:48.630
the McDonald’s Big Mac to everybody. So you’ve

01:21:48.630 –> 01:21:52.489
got proprietary things inside the agency. That’s

01:21:52.489 –> 01:21:56.470
another reason for top secret. Here’s the word

01:21:56.470 –> 01:21:58.329
that I read in the Fourth Amendment that I would…

01:21:58.600 –> 01:22:00.399
take to the Supreme Court if I were going to

01:22:00.399 –> 01:22:05.260
take it is reasonable. It says the right of people

01:22:05.260 –> 01:22:07.039
to secure their person’s house’s papers and effects,

01:22:07.279 –> 01:22:09.720
everything against unreasonable searches and

01:22:09.720 –> 01:22:13.140
seizures. So what is unreasonable? What could

01:22:13.140 –> 01:22:16.439
constitute that? They put that vague word in

01:22:16.439 –> 01:22:19.699
there. It didn’t say against searches and seizures,

01:22:19.779 –> 01:22:21.859
and that’s the way people are taking this. You

01:22:21.859 –> 01:22:25.380
can’t search and seize my house. It’s got to

01:22:25.380 –> 01:22:27.260
be unreasonable. What’s the common man reason?

01:22:27.720 –> 01:22:30.039
that needs to be applied to this to make it unreasonable.

01:22:30.680 –> 01:22:33.319
And automatically, those people who are against

01:22:33.319 –> 01:22:35.020
the administration say anything this administration

01:22:35.020 –> 01:22:37.399
does is unreasonable. They’re not using reason.

01:22:37.520 –> 01:22:39.619
They’re not thinking appropriately. They are

01:22:39.619 –> 01:22:44.380
bad people, malicious actors. Therefore, everything

01:22:44.380 –> 01:22:46.859
they do is unreasonable. They don’t have a reason

01:22:46.859 –> 01:22:50.119
to do anything they do. So I’m going to feel

01:22:50.119 –> 01:22:53.979
like it’s a search and seizure that’s inappropriate.

01:22:55.700 –> 01:22:57.840
And then it says shall not be violated. And no

01:22:57.840 –> 01:22:59.739
warrants. No warrants. It doesn’t say you need

01:22:59.739 –> 01:23:03.439
a warrant to go in. Shall not be violated. So

01:23:03.439 –> 01:23:07.199
that’s an interesting clause too. No warrant

01:23:07.199 –> 01:23:10.819
shall issue, but upon proper cause. So it doesn’t

01:23:10.819 –> 01:23:13.699
say warrants are necessary. It says you can’t

01:23:13.699 –> 01:23:15.279
issue a warrant unless you have proper cause.

01:23:15.479 –> 01:23:17.920
It doesn’t say you can’t search and seize. It

01:23:17.920 –> 01:23:19.779
says if you have a reasonable reason to search

01:23:19.779 –> 01:23:23.060
and seize, you can. And if you use a warrant,

01:23:23.220 –> 01:23:27.810
it has to be reasonable. So the Fourth Amendment

01:23:27.810 –> 01:23:30.029
itself, the way I read it, and I’m not an attorney,

01:23:30.130 –> 01:23:33.010
I’m not a judge, I don’t know. But those are

01:23:33.010 –> 01:23:35.210
the questions I’d have. You have to determine

01:23:35.210 –> 01:23:37.850
what unreasonable is. And you do that based on

01:23:37.850 –> 01:23:41.170
who us and them are and whose reality you’re

01:23:41.170 –> 01:23:44.909
really going to believe. Right. And the laws

01:23:44.909 –> 01:23:50.189
are written as interpretations of the Constitution.

01:23:51.330 –> 01:23:54.949
So there’s likely a law that says you may not

01:23:54.949 –> 01:23:58.069
enter without a warrant or something. I mean,

01:23:58.090 –> 01:24:01.909
that is a thing. I haven’t read the law. I don’t

01:24:01.909 –> 01:24:06.010
know if that’s a… It’s possible. Well, in the

01:24:06.010 –> 01:24:07.649
write -up that you sent me, and I read through

01:24:07.649 –> 01:24:11.569
that, it did say they didn’t discuss that because

01:24:11.569 –> 01:24:14.449
it was automatically agreed to that they could

01:24:14.449 –> 01:24:17.420
enter the home without a warrant. So the warrant

01:24:17.420 –> 01:24:21.119
issue in all case law right now hasn’t been adjudicated

01:24:21.119 –> 01:24:25.979
in any of the case law. And from 50 years ago,

01:24:26.020 –> 01:24:29.779
I think was the case that talked about it. But

01:24:29.779 –> 01:24:35.180
it wasn’t discussed in particular because they

01:24:35.180 –> 01:24:37.760
agreed that they had every right, they had a

01:24:37.760 –> 01:24:41.279
reasonable search and seizure option. So there

01:24:41.279 –> 01:24:44.279
was no write -up specifically about, did I need

01:24:44.279 –> 01:24:49.229
a warrant to do this? They did it. And so because

01:24:49.229 –> 01:24:53.250
it wasn’t said it’s illegal, we’re operating

01:24:53.250 –> 01:24:57.750
now like it’s fine, which it probably still is.

01:24:57.829 –> 01:25:00.729
If you have a reason to search and seize, that’s

01:25:00.729 –> 01:25:02.829
the way police operate. If they have some reason

01:25:02.829 –> 01:25:08.130
at a traffic stop, some indication of suspicion,

01:25:08.369 –> 01:25:11.989
they can ask you to leave your car and ask you

01:25:11.989 –> 01:25:14.609
to search it. And if you are belligerent in any

01:25:14.609 –> 01:25:16.609
respect and you get yourself under arrest, then

01:25:16.609 –> 01:25:18.449
they have the responsibility to search the car

01:25:18.449 –> 01:25:21.789
before they can tow it. So they can put themselves

01:25:21.789 –> 01:25:24.050
in a responsibility that your car must be searched

01:25:24.050 –> 01:25:27.869
if you get belligerent. If you completely act

01:25:27.869 –> 01:25:29.649
appropriately and you don’t try to be a sovereign

01:25:29.649 –> 01:25:31.470
citizen and say, I’ve got more authority than

01:25:31.470 –> 01:25:36.689
you do, they can find the laws that will allow

01:25:36.689 –> 01:25:39.689
them to put you in handcuffs and search your

01:25:39.689 –> 01:25:44.100
car, no matter what you date. Well, not no matter

01:25:44.100 –> 01:25:47.180
what you do. You could stop them by just completely

01:25:47.180 –> 01:25:53.359
complying. Right. Completely complying. And if

01:25:53.359 –> 01:25:56.239
they are malicious and they’re going to put the

01:25:56.239 –> 01:25:59.140
bag of cocaine in your glove box when they say,

01:25:59.180 –> 01:26:01.579
I searched and found this here, if they’re the

01:26:01.579 –> 01:26:04.960
ones that are the bad actors, you don’t have

01:26:04.960 –> 01:26:07.140
any chance in the first place anyway. You were

01:26:07.140 –> 01:26:09.579
dead the minute they drove up behind you. Yeah.

01:26:11.120 –> 01:26:13.279
So it doesn’t matter what you do. You might as

01:26:13.279 –> 01:26:16.199
well operate appropriately to your conscience,

01:26:16.420 –> 01:26:19.380
to what’s right. If you start battling them,

01:26:19.439 –> 01:26:21.619
you’re inviting them into a battle. Don’t invite

01:26:21.619 –> 01:26:23.979
someone to a battle. There’s no reason to do

01:26:23.979 –> 01:26:30.359
that. So it sounds like, and it feels like to

01:26:30.359 –> 01:26:36.340
me, like you’re saying we should just give up

01:26:36.340 –> 01:26:39.500
our rights then. Any right that we suppose we

01:26:39.500 –> 01:26:45.270
have. We should just say, well, I don’t want

01:26:45.270 –> 01:26:48.770
to get hurt, so I’m just going to not stand for

01:26:48.770 –> 01:26:52.489
my rights. I’m going to just let everything happen.

01:26:52.550 –> 01:26:54.890
Let it all happen. That’s the best way to not

01:26:54.890 –> 01:26:59.890
be a victim, is to just let everyone act on me

01:26:59.890 –> 01:27:05.630
as they wish. Let them do what they do. If you

01:27:05.630 –> 01:27:08.729
can get away, get away, but get away safely.

01:27:09.600 –> 01:27:12.140
Don’t get away saying, you guys are wrong. I’m

01:27:12.140 –> 01:27:13.920
going to shoot you. I’m going to go get my gun

01:27:13.920 –> 01:27:17.420
and come back and kill you. Don’t threat. Don’t

01:27:17.420 –> 01:27:19.460
do that. Don’t let them think they’re threatened.

01:27:19.600 –> 01:27:23.600
Go away as a sheepish cat with your tail between

01:27:23.600 –> 01:27:27.659
your legs. Just get away if you need to for your

01:27:27.659 –> 01:27:30.039
safety. As a creator, create some way to get

01:27:30.039 –> 01:27:33.359
away. But don’t be the victim. If you’re the

01:27:33.359 –> 01:27:36.199
victim, then you say, I’m the victim here. I

01:27:36.199 –> 01:27:40.539
deserve, I have a right to respond with force

01:27:40.539 –> 01:27:43.300
against the force you’re bringing to me. If you

01:27:43.300 –> 01:27:44.699
do that, you’re going to get in a battle and

01:27:44.699 –> 01:27:47.100
you have just as likelihood of losing. You might

01:27:47.100 –> 01:27:49.380
just kill them. All three officers may be dead

01:27:49.380 –> 01:27:51.079
because you’re a good shot and you practiced

01:27:51.079 –> 01:27:54.720
enough. Yeah. And they may die, but you’ll now

01:27:54.720 –> 01:27:56.739
be a fugitive. You’ll be tracked for the rest

01:27:56.739 –> 01:28:00.659
of your life. So you won’t be free. The only

01:28:00.659 –> 01:28:02.220
way you’re going to be free is not to go and

01:28:02.220 –> 01:28:07.539
get into the challenge. Right. So. And if they’re

01:28:07.539 –> 01:28:12.619
a bad actor. Yeah. Do we have rights anyway?

01:28:12.880 –> 01:28:15.800
Do we really have rights? That’s the question.

01:28:16.239 –> 01:28:19.800
That’s that’s what I’m starting to realize is

01:28:19.800 –> 01:28:22.439
I don’t have any rights at all. This is a horrible

01:28:22.439 –> 01:28:25.840
country to live in. I need to. Maybe I want to

01:28:25.840 –> 01:28:29.079
be. Well, the country is the one with the laws

01:28:29.079 –> 01:28:32.680
that. Right. We’re supposing we’re living under

01:28:32.680 –> 01:28:35.859
laws that give us rights. The framers of the

01:28:35.859 –> 01:28:37.939
Constitution, they didn’t include the Bill of

01:28:37.939 –> 01:28:39.760
Rights. That had to be talked into. They talked

01:28:39.760 –> 01:28:41.359
them into putting it in. They said, because if

01:28:41.359 –> 01:28:43.500
we enumerate our rights, we’ll think that this

01:28:43.500 –> 01:28:45.760
is what rights we have. The rights of the citizen

01:28:45.760 –> 01:28:49.039
is every right to be, well, life, liberty, and

01:28:49.039 –> 01:28:51.619
the pursuit of happiness. It’s simple. The first

01:28:51.619 –> 01:28:58.000
statement of the Declaration. So you have all

01:28:58.000 –> 01:29:00.050
of the rights that you have. But your rights

01:29:00.050 –> 01:29:04.210
end with your body. And not my personal space.

01:29:04.409 –> 01:29:07.069
My house is, I don’t have a right to this house

01:29:07.069 –> 01:29:10.850
that I’m paying for. It’s the government’s house

01:29:10.850 –> 01:29:15.289
to do with what they will. Or it’s the bad actor’s

01:29:15.289 –> 01:29:17.609
house to do with what he will. If someone comes

01:29:17.609 –> 01:29:20.229
in and tries to take it from you, it doesn’t

01:29:20.229 –> 01:29:23.010
do you any good to fight them. It will do you

01:29:23.010 –> 01:29:25.449
best to let them come in. Say, is this your house?

01:29:25.590 –> 01:29:30.439
Okay. I’ll leave. I’m gone. But then try to find

01:29:30.439 –> 01:29:32.840
a legal remedy to get them out of your house.

01:29:32.880 –> 01:29:35.760
Now, there are squatters in your house. You can’t

01:29:35.760 –> 01:29:39.060
get squatters out. But it doesn’t help you to

01:29:39.060 –> 01:29:41.039
confront them right away. They might have a bigger

01:29:41.039 –> 01:29:44.279
gun than you. You don’t know. You might have

01:29:44.279 –> 01:29:45.680
the bigger gun. You might be able to kill them,

01:29:45.699 –> 01:29:47.899
but then you’ve killed somebody. And that doesn’t

01:29:47.899 –> 01:29:52.279
feel good either. Right. So would that be the

01:29:52.279 –> 01:29:59.960
path of a pacifist then? You can do you. You

01:29:59.960 –> 01:30:02.520
are bad actors and good actors. Do what you will.

01:30:02.619 –> 01:30:06.720
I will peacefully let you continue. Let them

01:30:06.720 –> 01:30:10.039
do what they do. Right. And I will not stand

01:30:10.039 –> 01:30:13.720
up for myself because that would be dangerous

01:30:13.720 –> 01:30:18.399
to my health. Well, what? Yeah. What do you have

01:30:18.399 –> 01:30:23.199
to stand up for? You’ve got to have your your

01:30:23.199 –> 01:30:26.340
the boundaries of what you’re willing to do.

01:30:26.840 –> 01:30:29.500
Okay. If you’re carrying a firearm and you’re

01:30:29.500 –> 01:30:31.880
willing to kill somebody, then that’s your boundary.

01:30:32.439 –> 01:30:36.359
I’m willing to fight you to the death. Most people

01:30:36.359 –> 01:30:41.340
don’t have that feeling right now. They’re not

01:30:41.340 –> 01:30:44.380
willing to fight to the death. Right. We don’t

01:30:44.380 –> 01:30:52.399
have duels anymore. But how far am I going to

01:30:52.399 –> 01:30:55.300
take it? If you try to challenge what I believe

01:30:55.300 –> 01:30:59.390
is my right. And that’s why I bring up gaslighting.

01:30:59.390 –> 01:31:02.750
Gaslighting happens all the time. So you can

01:31:02.750 –> 01:31:06.390
say that person is lying and gaslighting maybe

01:31:06.390 –> 01:31:09.729
is just lying. They’re lying. In order to gaslight,

01:31:09.789 –> 01:31:11.550
you need to know that you’re trying to convince

01:31:11.550 –> 01:31:15.170
someone to gain power over them is the way I

01:31:15.170 –> 01:31:17.850
understand that word. So if someone’s trying

01:31:17.850 –> 01:31:22.310
to gain power over you and they’re trying to

01:31:22.310 –> 01:31:24.890
make you believe that you don’t have these rights.

01:31:25.520 –> 01:31:27.140
you know we have the right to take over your

01:31:27.140 –> 01:31:30.699
house this is my house now and you let them do

01:31:30.699 –> 01:31:34.260
that that’s probably the safer action rather

01:31:34.260 –> 01:31:35.779
than saying no you don’t have any right to be

01:31:35.779 –> 01:31:40.420
here you know we have this um and she’s still

01:31:40.420 –> 01:31:44.159
missing the person from arizona that uh the older

01:31:44.159 –> 01:31:48.460
lady that her daughter is a special somebody

01:31:48.460 –> 01:31:51.680
i don’t i don’t know that i know that it’s been

01:31:51.680 –> 01:31:53.560
three or four weeks She was taken out of her

01:31:53.560 –> 01:31:55.479
home and they have video from the ring camera

01:31:55.479 –> 01:31:58.579
of the guy that took her or the guy that was

01:31:58.579 –> 01:32:00.840
at the door. We don’t know what happened to her.

01:32:00.920 –> 01:32:03.979
They can’t find her yet. And I don’t know that

01:32:03.979 –> 01:32:08.840
it’s closed at all. But someone, it’s possible

01:32:08.840 –> 01:32:12.760
that she tried to resist. And if you try to resist

01:32:12.760 –> 01:32:15.760
a perpetrator who’s there to act badly, you’re

01:32:15.760 –> 01:32:19.460
likely to die. If you don’t resist, if you say,

01:32:19.479 –> 01:32:22.489
fine, take the house to whatever you want. I

01:32:22.489 –> 01:32:25.189
can go, I don’t even know who you are. I promise

01:32:25.189 –> 01:32:27.869
I will never. Chances are they’re going to kill

01:32:27.869 –> 01:32:31.850
you anyway because you saw them. So when you’re

01:32:31.850 –> 01:32:34.930
dealing with the cartels, the people who are

01:32:34.930 –> 01:32:38.270
outside the law and are their own law, you’ve

01:32:38.270 –> 01:32:41.250
lost when you started. So it’s best not to be

01:32:41.250 –> 01:32:44.050
where the cartels are operating. In the first

01:32:44.050 –> 01:32:47.130
place. Right. In the first place. What if that’s

01:32:47.130 –> 01:32:50.789
where you live? Protect yourself by putting yourself.

01:32:52.000 –> 01:32:55.020
What if you’re a kid? What if you’re a kid and

01:32:55.020 –> 01:32:57.399
your parents are there, but you have no choice?

01:32:59.680 –> 01:33:04.119
Yeah. And then you have to just live out of it.

01:33:04.500 –> 01:33:06.939
Because kids can be gaslighted too. You know,

01:33:06.939 –> 01:33:08.800
you’re just a stupid kid. You don’t know anything.

01:33:08.939 –> 01:33:12.239
Shut up. Stop talking. Good, get out of here.

01:33:12.560 –> 01:33:14.260
You know, if you’re told that as a kid all the

01:33:14.260 –> 01:33:18.399
time, then maybe that’s what you learn. You learn

01:33:18.399 –> 01:33:22.060
to, you know, good, go away. i’m happy for you

01:33:22.060 –> 01:33:30.640
now shut up right right so are you maybe i’m

01:33:30.640 –> 01:33:32.420
oversimplifying it and this isn’t what you’re

01:33:32.420 –> 01:33:34.300
saying but it sounds like you’re saying the best

01:33:34.300 –> 01:33:39.279
defense of yourself is to not do anything and

01:33:39.279 –> 01:33:41.100
just let them do it right i mean i said that

01:33:41.100 –> 01:33:44.880
already but it’s don’t defend yourself in any

01:33:44.880 –> 01:33:47.859
way other than let them do what they’re gonna

01:33:47.859 –> 01:33:52.439
do and And then you can sort out what happens

01:33:52.439 –> 01:33:58.300
after. And keep a record of it. I mean, know

01:33:58.300 –> 01:34:01.960
what you’re doing. Any of these, you know, the

01:34:01.960 –> 01:34:06.619
movies of the martial artists that are, you know,

01:34:06.619 –> 01:34:09.760
they can control the situation anytime. Kung

01:34:09.760 –> 01:34:12.159
Fu, how he would listen to everything they said

01:34:12.159 –> 01:34:15.060
and he would take into account everything. And

01:34:15.060 –> 01:34:18.600
they do that with the other movies of, well.

01:34:18.960 –> 01:34:22.739
Mission Impossible, all of those things. You

01:34:22.739 –> 01:34:26.520
know, Ethan Hunt would tell them, you’re going

01:34:26.520 –> 01:34:30.079
to, because he’s in control. Even though he’s

01:34:30.079 –> 01:34:31.840
the prisoner in this group and there’s 10 people

01:34:31.840 –> 01:34:35.039
around him, I’m in control of this. And this

01:34:35.039 –> 01:34:36.939
is what’s going to happen because I know. You

01:34:36.939 –> 01:34:39.859
have to have that knowledge. It’s not that you’re

01:34:39.859 –> 01:34:41.279
not going to confront. You’re not going to confront.

01:34:42.439 –> 01:34:43.880
You know that when you confront, you’re going

01:34:43.880 –> 01:34:47.899
to win. If you know that, then you can be. more

01:34:47.899 –> 01:34:50.920
pacifist about your entry you don’t have to come

01:34:50.920 –> 01:34:55.619
in guns blazing yeah so you have to be strong

01:34:55.619 –> 01:35:00.239
enough and a creator enough to know that you

01:35:00.239 –> 01:35:03.000
you’ve got a way out but take your best way out

01:35:03.000 –> 01:35:05.739
get away from it record everything know that

01:35:05.739 –> 01:35:07.640
you’ve got it understood you know who they are

01:35:07.640 –> 01:35:09.960
you know how they’re acting if it’s a good police

01:35:09.960 –> 01:35:11.560
an accurate police and the judge are going to

01:35:11.560 –> 01:35:14.380
agree with them and they have a real case against

01:35:14.380 –> 01:35:18.810
you then you You were a criminal. You did something

01:35:18.810 –> 01:35:22.390
wrong, and you likely know that. If you did nothing

01:35:22.390 –> 01:35:25.930
wrong and you just want to assure your rights,

01:35:25.970 –> 01:35:28.810
your rights are best assured in the four -year

01:35:28.810 –> 01:35:31.250
court hearings than they are trying to fight

01:35:31.250 –> 01:35:36.810
them right now. Right. And then in that case,

01:35:36.890 –> 01:35:43.550
the cost of letting them do whatever they want

01:35:43.550 –> 01:35:46.810
to do because… They’re going to do that. The

01:35:46.810 –> 01:35:50.630
cost of that is just stress and loss of work

01:35:50.630 –> 01:35:53.609
and whatever for four years while you’re waiting.

01:35:53.829 –> 01:35:56.789
Well, if you happen to be incarcerated, you’ve

01:35:56.789 –> 01:35:59.529
lost your job, you’ve lost everything. If they’re

01:35:59.529 –> 01:36:00.909
taking your house, whatever they take, you’ve

01:36:00.909 –> 01:36:03.789
lost the privilege of holding that thing they

01:36:03.789 –> 01:36:07.229
took. But if they took your purse and your wallet

01:36:07.229 –> 01:36:10.590
and your $8 ,000 and your two gold coins because

01:36:10.590 –> 01:36:13.029
they were in your purse, it’s better to let them

01:36:13.029 –> 01:36:15.619
take your purse. than to fight them and get dead

01:36:15.619 –> 01:36:19.840
right yeah and you might get that stuff back

01:36:19.840 –> 01:36:22.439
it might be found it might never be found they

01:36:22.439 –> 01:36:25.380
might be as good bad actors as they want to be

01:36:25.380 –> 01:36:28.859
and actually get away with it or someone else

01:36:28.859 –> 01:36:32.720
might see them and make a report and there’s

01:36:32.720 –> 01:36:35.279
some tracking down and and your purse is found

01:36:35.279 –> 01:36:38.899
the two gold coins are gone so you lose that

01:36:38.899 –> 01:36:41.659
but i don’t know yeah And maybe they’re not gold

01:36:41.659 –> 01:36:44.239
coins. Maybe they’re just your two favorite Skittles

01:36:44.239 –> 01:36:49.460
bags and they ate those. My favorites. I’ve never

01:36:49.460 –> 01:36:51.680
eaten them up until now. It’s too bad for them

01:36:51.680 –> 01:36:59.060
that they were 30 years old. Right, right. Yeah,

01:36:59.239 –> 01:37:04.579
so bad things are going to happen and sometimes

01:37:04.579 –> 01:37:09.439
you’re not going to get any restitution of the…

01:37:10.600 –> 01:37:13.140
of the losses that you incur because those bad

01:37:13.140 –> 01:37:16.920
things happen out of your control. And when they

01:37:16.920 –> 01:37:19.260
happen, they’re just circumstances. And so you

01:37:19.260 –> 01:37:21.100
still have the responsibility of the model to

01:37:21.100 –> 01:37:24.420
act appropriately, to let your reaction not be

01:37:24.420 –> 01:37:29.699
inappropriate. You want to live. You want to

01:37:29.699 –> 01:37:31.039
survive. You want to be as safe as possible.

01:37:31.180 –> 01:37:35.380
And you can create that safety by realizing it’s

01:37:35.380 –> 01:37:37.319
just a circumstance. They’re now living in my

01:37:37.319 –> 01:37:39.750
house. I wish I were living in my house, and

01:37:39.750 –> 01:37:41.590
it’s wrong, and I’m going to the judge immediately.

01:37:41.630 –> 01:37:43.850
I’m writing up this complaint with the police,

01:37:43.949 –> 01:37:46.789
with everybody, finding the right authority to

01:37:46.789 –> 01:37:50.989
say, let’s go into the house with 70 officers

01:37:50.989 –> 01:37:53.970
and take that person out and put them in prison

01:37:53.970 –> 01:37:55.510
for the rest of their life, and I get my house

01:37:55.510 –> 01:38:02.630
back. Yeah. So we let that happen, and we let

01:38:02.630 –> 01:38:04.729
the process take as long as it takes, and if

01:38:04.729 –> 01:38:08.079
you never get… If you never get back what you

01:38:08.079 –> 01:38:10.739
lost in the first place, if you never regain

01:38:10.739 –> 01:38:15.140
that sense of security even, if that intangible

01:38:15.140 –> 01:38:19.520
sense of security that everyone deserves to have,

01:38:19.659 –> 01:38:23.020
I mean, I believe that that’s a God -given right.

01:38:23.079 –> 01:38:26.579
If you had a God, God would say, yes, you deserve

01:38:26.579 –> 01:38:33.770
to be, to feel safe and secure. I mean… That’s

01:38:33.770 –> 01:38:35.909
the God you choose to believe in. Yeah. Unless

01:38:35.909 –> 01:38:39.310
you were born in a cartel family and they’re

01:38:39.310 –> 01:38:42.649
never safe. You’re the child in a cartel family

01:38:42.649 –> 01:38:45.210
that the government’s after your dad. And God

01:38:45.210 –> 01:38:47.229
doesn’t think that that kid deserves to be safe?

01:38:49.670 –> 01:38:52.550
Why did he put him into a cartel family? Or why

01:38:52.550 –> 01:38:55.630
were you born into a cannibalistic society? Well,

01:38:55.630 –> 01:38:58.880
I suppose that… means that God decides where

01:38:58.880 –> 01:39:02.020
you go, which family you’re born into. Right.

01:39:02.319 –> 01:39:04.500
And so he says, you guys deserve the treatment

01:39:04.500 –> 01:39:07.859
of being in a cannibal society, and you people

01:39:07.859 –> 01:39:12.199
deserve to be in the United States. That’s not

01:39:12.199 –> 01:39:15.500
a judgment we can make. So no, I don’t believe

01:39:15.500 –> 01:39:18.760
in that God that believes that you have a right.

01:39:19.210 –> 01:39:23.489
to safety and security okay so the feeling of

01:39:23.489 –> 01:39:26.409
security that i might have felt at one point

01:39:26.409 –> 01:39:34.189
is is an illusion and i can’t actually demand

01:39:34.189 –> 01:39:39.289
that i can’t demand that i feel secure i need

01:39:39.289 –> 01:39:42.810
to right what does safety and security mean what

01:39:42.810 –> 01:39:46.380
does it mean to be secure The only way you can

01:39:46.380 –> 01:39:48.760
do that is if you’re a hermit inside of your

01:39:48.760 –> 01:39:51.380
cocoon. That sounds perfect. I want to do that.

01:39:51.600 –> 01:39:55.579
Can I? I have. Right. Can I just be? And it’s

01:39:55.579 –> 01:39:58.399
all of this, conversations like this and movies

01:39:58.399 –> 01:40:02.579
and videos and things that I read that make me

01:40:02.579 –> 01:40:09.119
want more and more to get away and be safe. Because

01:40:09.119 –> 01:40:13.479
I don’t feel safe. In a society where I have

01:40:13.479 –> 01:40:17.140
to do whatever somebody says they have an authority

01:40:17.140 –> 01:40:20.619
over me, then I just have to let them do whatever

01:40:20.619 –> 01:40:23.760
they want. And not to say anything about where

01:40:23.760 –> 01:40:26.640
I am exactly, but I’m in a city that has a county

01:40:26.640 –> 01:40:29.539
sheriff. There’s no city police. There’s no authorities

01:40:29.539 –> 01:40:32.159
that are going to rule me. There’s a city council.

01:40:32.819 –> 01:40:35.159
But I could move just a little bit and not even

01:40:35.159 –> 01:40:37.770
have the city council. have any authority over

01:40:37.770 –> 01:40:41.289
me. It’s easy enough to be in a place, to find

01:40:41.289 –> 01:40:43.670
a place that you’re still in society, but you

01:40:43.670 –> 01:40:45.550
don’t have those authority figures. You don’t

01:40:45.550 –> 01:40:47.869
have neighbors that are going to come and be

01:40:47.869 –> 01:40:52.369
bad actors, try to take your fruit off of your

01:40:52.369 –> 01:40:55.369
trees, steal your apples. That doesn’t happen

01:40:55.369 –> 01:41:00.529
if you’re out in the country communities. If

01:41:00.529 –> 01:41:02.369
you live in the middle of the city and you have

01:41:02.369 –> 01:41:04.930
an apple tree, chances are everyone’s going to

01:41:04.930 –> 01:41:07.609
be taking your apples. Right. If you have a nice

01:41:07.609 –> 01:41:09.850
car, someone’s going to key it on the side because

01:41:09.850 –> 01:41:11.470
you parked it on the street. You didn’t put it

01:41:11.470 –> 01:41:13.729
under your garage because you don’t have a garage.

01:41:14.630 –> 01:41:18.210
Yeah. So circumstances are going to happen. And

01:41:18.210 –> 01:41:20.430
it’s not God’s responsibility to make sure that

01:41:20.430 –> 01:41:24.270
you’re safe. You can choose to live where you

01:41:24.270 –> 01:41:26.210
live. If you want to have the job in New York

01:41:26.210 –> 01:41:27.609
City, you’re going to live in New York City.

01:41:28.239 –> 01:41:31.680
And you accept the fact. It’s not a risk. It’s

01:41:31.680 –> 01:41:34.020
a fact that someone’s going to key your car because

01:41:34.020 –> 01:41:35.960
people are stupid. It’s just a circumstance.

01:41:36.340 –> 01:41:39.840
Yeah. You’re living where the stupid people live.

01:41:40.300 –> 01:41:43.720
Yeah. And that can happen in this place too.

01:41:43.880 –> 01:41:45.899
There’s nothing that would stop someone from

01:41:45.899 –> 01:41:49.119
keying a car in a small town, community, country,

01:41:49.239 –> 01:41:53.079
rural USA. Yeah. That can happen too. Right.

01:41:53.220 –> 01:41:55.880
But it’s not as likely. Because there’s less

01:41:55.880 –> 01:41:58.609
people. The percentage. Yeah, the percentage

01:41:58.609 –> 01:42:00.430
is a lot less because you don’t have a thousand

01:42:00.430 –> 01:42:02.869
people walking past your car every day. Right.

01:42:03.069 –> 01:42:05.350
It takes 10 years for a thousand people to walk

01:42:05.350 –> 01:42:08.729
past your car. One of them is going to key it.

01:42:10.069 –> 01:42:20.829
So. Okay. Well, I don’t feel. Safety. I don’t

01:42:20.829 –> 01:42:23.590
feel, I feel less safe than before, actually.

01:42:23.949 –> 01:42:29.100
And I don’t like it. But maybe our next time

01:42:29.100 –> 01:42:31.680
we talk, whether it’s recorded or not, maybe

01:42:31.680 –> 01:42:35.220
you can help me figure out how to be okay with

01:42:35.220 –> 01:42:38.500
not feeling safe. Because I don’t like it. I

01:42:38.500 –> 01:42:42.500
don’t like this feeling. Yeah, you look in the

01:42:42.500 –> 01:42:46.840
model. Your feeling is after your thinking. You’re

01:42:46.840 –> 01:42:48.939
only feeling that because you’re thinking that

01:42:48.939 –> 01:42:52.460
you’re not safe. You have circumstance, thoughts,

01:42:52.819 –> 01:42:55.659
feelings, thoughts, emotions. actions and then

01:42:55.659 –> 01:43:03.819
results. So you’re feeling, it’s based on how

01:43:03.819 –> 01:43:05.439
you’re thinking. You’re thinking you’re not safe.

01:43:11.840 –> 01:43:14.579
That’s the creator. If you can create, how do

01:43:14.579 –> 01:43:17.239
people walk on the streets? How do you drive

01:43:17.239 –> 01:43:21.859
a car? There’s people that don’t know what they’re

01:43:21.859 –> 01:43:24.020
doing driving cars. Why would you drive? dare

01:43:24.020 –> 01:43:26.279
to drive a car on the streets trusting that all

01:43:26.279 –> 01:43:28.939
of those people will obey the laws that you believe

01:43:28.939 –> 01:43:33.880
in. Yeah. You’re completely unsafe driving a

01:43:33.880 –> 01:43:37.640
car. Well, you can convince me with all of the

01:43:37.640 –> 01:43:40.760
reasons why I’m unsafe, and that’s just going

01:43:40.760 –> 01:43:43.319
to make me feel more and more unsafe. It’s not

01:43:43.319 –> 01:43:46.739
going to make me feel okay with being unsafe.

01:43:48.239 –> 01:43:50.779
So the thing we should discuss at some point

01:43:50.779 –> 01:43:54.750
is, do we even want to feel safe? What is that?

01:43:54.810 –> 01:44:02.130
What is safety? And rights. The difference between

01:44:02.130 –> 01:44:05.329
safety and rights. Do you have the right to feel

01:44:05.329 –> 01:44:12.750
safe? Yeah. I don’t know that we’re, I don’t

01:44:12.750 –> 01:44:14.210
know that we have any rights and I don’t know

01:44:14.210 –> 01:44:17.109
that any of us are safe. You’re always vulnerable.

01:44:18.050 –> 01:44:23.130
Your heart’s just beating. And you can’t do anything

01:44:23.130 –> 01:44:26.090
to stop it or start it yourself. Well, would

01:44:26.090 –> 01:44:30.130
it be worth it to explore ways that we can reduce

01:44:30.130 –> 01:44:35.409
the risk of harm, like locking your doors at

01:44:35.409 –> 01:44:38.189
night or exercising to keep your heart beating

01:44:38.189 –> 01:44:41.930
even stronger than it was before? Or, you know,

01:44:41.970 –> 01:44:45.130
prevention. Prevention measures and defensive

01:44:45.130 –> 01:44:49.479
measures. Yeah. And maybe that is what you’re

01:44:49.479 –> 01:44:51.220
doing. So you don’t feel safe. So you think,

01:44:51.300 –> 01:44:54.319
what could I do to make myself feel safer? And

01:44:54.319 –> 01:44:56.199
I’m going to prevent the heart attack. I’m going

01:44:56.199 –> 01:45:01.079
to make sure that I drive defensively instead

01:45:01.079 –> 01:45:03.520
of offensively. Right. And watch out for the

01:45:03.520 –> 01:45:06.680
offensive drivers. You know, you’re going to

01:45:06.680 –> 01:45:10.619
put into place actions that increase your safety

01:45:10.619 –> 01:45:13.180
based on what you think, how you think you should

01:45:13.180 –> 01:45:18.279
operate. And if you’re thinking based on your

01:45:18.279 –> 01:45:23.380
protection. Yeah. What it seemed like was through

01:45:23.380 –> 01:45:27.819
this last hour and a half of talking is that

01:45:27.819 –> 01:45:32.939
we don’t actually have, even if I had a gun,

01:45:33.020 –> 01:45:35.420
I can’t keep the people from coming in my house.

01:45:36.020 –> 01:45:38.859
Even if I had, I mean, maybe the only way to

01:45:38.859 –> 01:45:40.880
keep them from coming in is to not answer the

01:45:40.880 –> 01:45:45.680
door, make them think I’m not home. But are they

01:45:45.680 –> 01:45:47.800
going to come in anyway because they believe

01:45:47.800 –> 01:45:52.819
that someone’s inside? Even with all of the defenses,

01:45:53.220 –> 01:46:03.439
I’m still vulnerable. Because we’re on a precarious

01:46:03.439 –> 01:46:06.779
world and that don’t look up idea. We don’t know

01:46:06.779 –> 01:46:12.520
that the next volcano, I mean, even. Yellowstone.

01:46:12.560 –> 01:46:14.319
If Yellowstone goes off, the United States is

01:46:14.319 –> 01:46:18.159
done. Yeah. If the volcano blows up the way it

01:46:18.159 –> 01:46:21.140
could blow up, the U .S. doesn’t exist anymore.

01:46:21.340 –> 01:46:26.739
It’s covered in ash. So that’s just something

01:46:26.739 –> 01:46:29.960
that cataclysmically could happen. And it’s just

01:46:29.960 –> 01:46:34.560
a circumstance. I mean, you could be hit by a

01:46:34.560 –> 01:46:39.060
stray bullet. It’s just right now. And you wouldn’t

01:46:39.060 –> 01:46:46.060
know. Yeah. Hmm. Goodness. So we are entirely

01:46:46.060 –> 01:46:51.859
at risk. Yeah, we are. And you have to consider

01:46:51.859 –> 01:47:00.640
that in everything that you do. I don’t know

01:47:00.640 –> 01:47:04.779
that I could close that out, but we’re not safe

01:47:04.779 –> 01:47:08.800
because we’re on a planet that’s not safe. We’re

01:47:08.800 –> 01:47:10.460
in a solar system that’s not safe. We’re in a

01:47:10.460 –> 01:47:14.869
universe that… is in the level of entropy.

01:47:15.130 –> 01:47:17.189
And the entropy, just if you break it down to

01:47:17.189 –> 01:47:20.109
the lower scientific thing, it’s always going

01:47:20.109 –> 01:47:22.130
to move us to something that has more potential.

01:47:22.689 –> 01:47:28.010
So you’re degenerating. You’re going to a less

01:47:28.010 –> 01:47:31.149
complex, simple structure so that your atoms

01:47:31.149 –> 01:47:35.609
are wanting to be operating with higher potential.

01:47:36.130 –> 01:47:40.470
That’s the way I’m dealing with that. We’re going

01:47:40.470 –> 01:47:45.640
to die. If it’s today or yesterday or 120 years

01:47:45.640 –> 01:47:48.960
from now, you’re going to die. So don’t be afraid

01:47:48.960 –> 01:47:52.539
of it. You might as well decide what your fears

01:47:52.539 –> 01:47:58.180
are. Yeah. And then make sure they’re not stupid.

01:47:58.260 –> 01:47:59.640
I don’t know how to make sure they’re not stupid.

01:48:00.100 –> 01:48:03.619
Make sure your fears aren’t stupid. Make sure

01:48:03.619 –> 01:48:06.380
you’re saying, I’m not going to be afraid of

01:48:06.380 –> 01:48:08.439
that. It’s stupid not to be afraid of that. So

01:48:08.439 –> 01:48:12.229
make sure you don’t. What do they call that?

01:48:14.050 –> 01:48:20.649
You don’t accept stupid risks. Something like

01:48:20.649 –> 01:48:28.869
that. Huh. I’m not afraid of mountain lions or

01:48:28.869 –> 01:48:31.329
grizzly bears. I’m just going to go up and talk

01:48:31.329 –> 01:48:33.329
to them. I’m going to pat them on the nose. Oh.

01:48:33.829 –> 01:48:37.649
Oh, yeah. Or buffalo. You know, don’t do stupid

01:48:37.649 –> 01:48:40.430
things. I know there’s a term for that kind of

01:48:40.430 –> 01:48:42.989
stuff, but don’t put yourself in risky situations

01:48:42.989 –> 01:48:45.789
because you’re just not afraid of risky situations.

01:48:46.789 –> 01:48:50.489
Yeah, yeah. Extreme things. Don’t go out and

01:48:50.489 –> 01:48:53.449
do extreme things just because. Yeah, a death

01:48:53.449 –> 01:48:56.229
wish. But you don’t have a death wish. You’re

01:48:56.229 –> 01:49:00.130
just very confident in your ability to survive

01:49:00.130 –> 01:49:04.310
whatever it is that comes at you. Yeah, and everyone

01:49:04.310 –> 01:49:05.989
needs to have that, and that needs to be their

01:49:05.989 –> 01:49:09.020
own personal safety. Everyone decides their safety.

01:49:09.159 –> 01:49:11.659
That’s what I’m thinking. You can’t rely on outside

01:49:11.659 –> 01:49:13.960
forces to give you safety. You have to do it

01:49:13.960 –> 01:49:16.380
yourself. Okay. If you don’t do it yourself,

01:49:16.659 –> 01:49:20.979
you can’t have it. You can be in a prison cell

01:49:20.979 –> 01:49:23.760
and worried about shanking by the guy next door.

01:49:24.520 –> 01:49:26.579
You’re completely safe. The guy’s not going to

01:49:26.579 –> 01:49:29.640
shank you, but you’re afraid of that. So you’re

01:49:29.640 –> 01:49:32.920
completely unsafe inside of your prison cell.

01:49:34.300 –> 01:49:45.920
Yeah. Well, okay. Not okay. I’m not okay. I don’t

01:49:45.920 –> 01:49:49.680
know if there’s any conclusion. We’re okay that

01:49:49.680 –> 01:49:53.920
we’re not okay. Yeah. I’m okay. You’re okay.

01:49:54.479 –> 01:49:57.359
Or I’m not okay. You’re okay. I’m not okay. You’re

01:49:57.359 –> 01:50:01.279
not okay. And that’s okay. And that’s okay. Because

01:50:01.279 –> 01:50:04.739
that’s the reality. The reality of it is circumstances

01:50:04.739 –> 01:50:11.289
are. And we can’t also worry about what everyone

01:50:11.289 –> 01:50:14.250
else is doing. Let them do what they do. If the

01:50:14.250 –> 01:50:16.090
administration wants to take a stance and test

01:50:16.090 –> 01:50:20.050
it, that’s their choice to test it. Yeah. And

01:50:20.050 –> 01:50:22.470
if you decide to fight it, you’re putting yourself

01:50:22.470 –> 01:50:25.550
in harm’s way. So I’m thinking, you know, if

01:50:25.550 –> 01:50:27.270
you and I are talking about it and we say we

01:50:27.270 –> 01:50:29.109
think it’s the wrong choice, they should not

01:50:29.109 –> 01:50:31.770
have tested that. We can make the statement here,

01:50:31.869 –> 01:50:34.390
but there’s no reason to test it directly with

01:50:34.390 –> 01:50:36.939
them. Right. And go up to the authority and say,

01:50:37.000 –> 01:50:39.140
you have no right because my rights supersede

01:50:39.140 –> 01:50:44.560
yours. That’s conflict. You don’t want to step

01:50:44.560 –> 01:50:48.840
into conflict. So letting them do it is the only

01:50:48.840 –> 01:50:57.020
thing you can do. Yeah. Let them. Let them. We

01:50:57.020 –> 01:50:59.439
should talk about that. You should read the book,

01:50:59.520 –> 01:51:01.739
The Let Them Theory, and then we can talk about

01:51:01.739 –> 01:51:05.600
that book. We could do that book. That’s a Mel

01:51:05.600 –> 01:51:09.779
Robbins book. Yes. Her iteration, her next step

01:51:09.779 –> 01:51:14.380
to how to live appropriately in this world with

01:51:14.380 –> 01:51:17.100
the challenges and the rights that you feel like

01:51:17.100 –> 01:51:22.680
you want to maintain. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway.

01:51:24.420 –> 01:51:30.199
I’m glad that we could talk today. We’ll go.

01:51:30.340 –> 01:51:33.840
Do you want to? Close it out. Do you have any

01:51:33.840 –> 01:51:39.800
final words? No, I don’t. Okay, very good. We’ll

01:51:39.800 –> 01:51:44.180
talk to you again. Yeah, next time. Until next

01:51:44.180 –> 01:51:47.380
time. See you later. Until next time, when we’ll

01:51:47.380 –> 01:51:51.020
talk about safety, maybe. Yes. Okay, good night.

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