In which we come to realize none of it really makes sense or perhaps isn’t even valuable.
Recorded September 11, 2024.
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the Homemaker has the ultimate career
all other careers exist for one purpose
only and that is to support the ultimate
career so that’s all all of the careers
so even your job is there to support the
home so I I think maybe your priorities
still in tier two ref back to tier one
you’re not going to upset that career
you could upset that career if you just
didn’t like it and you didn’t need the
money and you’re independently wealthy
what does it matter that you’re serving
in the community as opposed to working
at that place and McDonald says you can
no longer flip Burgers here and say okay
cool I’ll just go and do what I’m doing
and unless you had an ultimate career
you were supporting a household some
tier one relationship that you had to
serve and were requiring serve it in a
given way the safety of that of that
ultimate career is uh that’s what
identifies your priorities and how much
you how well you treat any anyone
together into your
tube we’re ready to ready to talk we’re
ready to rock yeah just
kidding the funnest thing um all right
so well we’re talking about communities
communities communities service to
community see if we can get to tier
three see what that means okay um so I
was listening to the other episodes to
what we’ve talked about already and I
think that you and I are still
disconnected on what it means to be in a
community um okay I think it sounded
like you were trying to just make it be
a at
classification um with no meaning like
no emotional emotions and responsibility
don’t don’t um what they they don’t
Define these communities uh it’s just
like your your nuclear family your at
home family is in your tier one and then
your neighborhood and your extended
family not your neighborhood your
extended family and your church
Community are in tier two yeah your
church Community your neighborhood is
tier two I mean anything outside of that
tier one but you’re you’re indicating
that you’d like to have some some
definition of of a community closeness
maybe of a well responsibility and
expectations that you you hold that
different level rather than just the
status um I I think I am viewing it just
clearly as it’s a status it doesn’t
matter the relationship you have with
any of these individuals they’re in that
tier because they’re that far away from
you yeah but not necessarily
relationship wise just that far away
from um
what just status their status in your
life okay rather than their closeness in
your life status yeah so and I think
that that’s where we talked about before
someone being farther from you you know
an uncle you never talked to is is
farther away but he’s not he’s not
farther away from you and your community
he’s not in a different status yeah he’s
not in a different status he’s still in
a you know you don’t have any any
responsibility or expectation of him but
he’s still an uncle he’s still in that
status so I I think I’m and do just like
to identify it as a status as opposed to
a relationship okay or a Rel ship
strength I think is what you’re talking
about is that right I think so I think
that’s a a good way to put it strength
of your relationship yeah because it’s
not the people closest to you that
strength it doesn’t matter how strong it
is or how weak it is your neighborhood
is still the people in your neighborhood
the the church Community is still the
people in the church whether you ever
talk to them or not right they still are
associated with you because of the
church the people that you went to high
school with are still that that class
that status because because you were in
high school with them even though you’ll
never talk to them again right if you do
run across them they say yeah you’re
from my high school okay or my college
you know you’re an alumni of the same
College I went to and you have an
affinity a status with them because of
that all right so give me a quick and
dirty of tier zero the the primary the
zeroeth tier not the primary yeah so
kind of review everything that the
zeroth tier is all the sales in your
body it’s yourself the the self the the
thing that your identity your
Consciousness okay the zeroth tier is
any individual um and you can’t the unit
you can’t break down any further if you
break it down any further it dies okay
and then what what is in the who who is
in the this the first tier so the first
tier is that’s the nuclear family way
described it but how you described that
as status they live in your same
household people in your same household
because we did talk about mother
daughters or roommates just roommates
that have that first tier um people that
you’re primarily associated with in your
and I guess that does have a larger
longer time during the day okay say say
more about that what do you mean more
responsibility with the first tier so
the first tier might have I mean in in
order to qualify for that first tier
you’d have to have more qu expectations
and responsibilities because that’s what
identifies your nuclear family or your
first tier people your first tier people
are those that may be the definition not
just necessarily nuclear family but it’s
those that you hold the highest level of
expectation and and responsibility for
and with and it doesn’t matter where
they live like they they could be not
living in your home and yet you still
have so like say see if we have a have
an can you come up with an idea of what
that would be um um in the animal world
or in the human world
if let’s see
imagine if you’re like the primary
caretaker for somebody but you don’t
live with them like like okay so I’m I’m
imagin so you’re living somewhere else
but you’re car caring for your mother at
her house right you’re not in the same
household but you’re you’re there eight
hours a day 10 hours a day it’s it’s
kind of your your work it’s what you
take as your full
responsibility you expect them to keep
breathing and you have a responsibility
to they need you they they can’t survive
without you it’s a
reciprocal need you how how do you say
that
responsibility um reciprocal like what
do you mean
so they need you and you need them the
same thing well how would you need them
though like in that specific situation
if you’re caring for an elderly parent
or grandparent that’s your full-time job
what are your needs for them if that’s
if that’s what you’re doing you’re the
caregiver you’re going to be there um
you need them to keep breathing that’s
the only thing you need them to respond
to you yeah you’re you’re caring for
them as long as they’re alive if they
are no longer alive then you no have
that primary relationship that’s no
longer a your so it’s not that you need
them it’s that the relationship needs
them that’s for the relationship to be
in that status yeah well you need them
that’s why you’re they care caregiver
anyway and maybe they have Alzheimer’s
and they don’t really know you yeah but
without and let’s say they’re in a
facility that’s providing them most of
their care but you’re you’re playing the
role of the of the nurse so you don’t
have to pay for that daily person be
there with them you’re going to be there
with them but they’re getting their food
and everything facility there’s probably
an arrangement that if they needed
24-hour nursing care you can provide
that for 10 hours a day and then the
nursing staff covers it for the night
and you and you get a low at Cost
do but still that’s your that’s they’re
part of your inner circle if you can
keep them in your home you would be have
them in your home youd have them closer
to you okay so where they live then and
doesn’t really matter it’s what about
just yeah perhaps what about just BFFs
uhhuh you you’re the you know spend all
your time with somebody with one person
and uh yeah we talked about the teenager
that didn’t want to be in their family’s
house but they’ve got a BFF outfit they
got a friend that they hang out with and
they do things every day they both live
at their own houses they’re being
provided for that way they consider
themselves separate from that but they
consider themselves together as oh we do
everything um a plutonic relationship of
those is it plutonic or
platonic plutonic platonic is is
geographic geological is it the plates
plate tectonics platonic no hold on a
minute maybe it is plates it’s plutonic
meaning no sexual relations uh uh okay
so you’re
wrong are you sure well I mean I’m wrong
word confusion you dare platonic versus
pluton platonic generally refers to
non-romantic relationships plutonic
common misspelling of platonic refers to
either geology or relates to the Roman
god Pluto really it’s platonic platonic
how come I would ever know that okay so
that’s the first thing we learned today
no I’m just
kidding yeah the only thing I will ever
learn platonic uh okay M where were we
were we the train has fallen off the
tracks what are we at uh no it’s just so
it that does have have I so your tier
one is what you were talking about when
you first started it is a relationship
feeling it’s how close they are to you
based on expectations responsibilities
okay that’s your tier one but then if
that’s what tier one is then you could
say tier two is less of that right right
anyone less of that in their SE
segregated communities I think you do
have to separate those ones because you
have your family members as opposed to
your alumnus fellow alumni from your
schools or your work work partners that
we work with they all they’re all
different from you they’re SE segregated
in their in their relationship to you
right the people that you serve with on
the volunteer committees you’re serving
on so the only time you meet with those
people is when you’re in that activity
okay so the and the between one and two
one has to be met so the zero tier has
to be met the needs have to be met
before before tier one before you can
really serve and be in in a tier one
relationship you have to have your
personal e bet you have to be alive and
functioning well enough to do that tier
one so this is is the sub position we
talked about a little bit tier one has
to be functioning well enough for you to
do anything with tier two yeah if tier
one has needs that are excessive you’re
going to drop all of tier two and stay
with tier one until that’s cared for
enough so that it’s it’s um stable and
secure and then you can move to the tier
two yeah and that’s the reason we’re
trying to figure this out is because
that’s what we’re talking where’re what
what do you need to do closer to you
before you can go farther away from you
right further away priorities
identifying prioritizing what you’re
doing what your day is what your
connections are who your connections are
Community Pro PRI Community
priorities yeah yeah priority community
service in order to serve with that
Community with those segments in tier
two any of the segments in tier two tier
one has to be comfortable enough to let
you out
if they’re not comfortable enough to let
you out you’re going to call tier two
like we said and say I’m not going to be
there sorry no reason I’m just not going
to be there okay and so that’s that’s
what you do you make sure tier one is is
safe and secure and then it doesn’t
necessarily does it matter between the
segments of tier two if you’re um if
you’re volunteer boards you’re serving
onor volunteer commitments that you’re
with those groups if they’re not happy
with you you can still go and be a part
of the church and be a part of your
workplace if your workplace isn’t happy
with you they’re writing you up and
you’ve got pink notices and and you’re
going to be fired in a week that doesn’t
affect your high school relationships or
anyone else in that tier two so there’s
no other connections I I’m proposing
between those okay so the segments of
tier 2 are Church neighborhood your
volunteer work groups your your pay for
work groups like The your career and any
any group you happen to be a part of
Alumni Association or what you know if
you’re a military you’re always once a
marine always a marine okay so and they
don’t have any expectations of you that
you need to do before you move before
you do anything with the other segments
of that tier right so that’s that’s my
thought is it is it true is that correct
Okay so so if you’re spending a lot of
time with your church and you’re not
getting your employment work done then
you run into issues there so far as far
as prioritizing you need to you need to
balance those priorities as well you
can’t just yeah well no um CS Lewis’s
quote he’s got a quote about uh
Homemakers Homemakers um I had it just
pulled up on my phone the other day well
search it out it is uh the Homemaker is
the ultimate profession every other
career support is built to support that
something yeah let’s fund it okay it’s
um haker quote the Homemaker has the
ultimate career all other careers exist
for one purpose only and that is to
support the ultimate career so that’s
all all of the careers so even your job
is there to support the home so I I
think maybe your priorities still in
tier two refer back to tier one you’re
not going to upset that career you could
upset that career if you just didn’t
like it and you didn’t need the money
and you’re independently wealthy what
does it matter that you’re serving in
the community as opposed to working that
place and McDonald’s says you can no
longer flip Burgers here you say okay
cool I’ll just go and do what I’m doing
and unless you had an ultimate career
you were supporting a household some
tier one relationship that you had this
serve and we’re requiring to serve it in
a given way the safety of that of that
ultimate career is uh that’s what
identifies your priorities and how much
you how well you treat any anyone
together into here tuo okay I kind of
got lost in there
okay okay priorities the the the
employment doesn’t have anything to do
with the service uh opportunities you’re
doing or with your you know High School
reunions or things that are happening
because you’re not making decisions
based on my workplace that I need to do
this or based on my you know my um
participation in the band I’m not
stopping my work yeah okay well you do
you do do that but you do that only as
it relates to your household right so
maybe it’s not
it’s not employment it’s workplace
workplace is different than employment
employment is the work that you do and
the workplace is the people and the
place that you do the work with and
at okay and why would you define it
differently that way because you have to
do if if your livelihood depends on you
doing the work that’s almost a tier one
thing that you do like you’re doing it
for tier one you’re it’s a
responsibility for your tier one
Community but then there’s you know
after workor parties or um hanging out
with your your co-workers because
they’re co-workers and you you just want
to make sure that you’re happy at work
that’s a tier 2 Community activity
because those people aren’t really the
people and the place are in tier 2 but
the work that you do is for tier one one
does that make sense right so they
become relationships in that tier two as
opposed to where you really you’re not
really serving those friendships
supporting the ultimate career
supporting tier one the friendships
aren’t necessarily supporting that
unless they’re networking connections
and you’ve got to do it for that
purpose so that that makes sense okay
okay the other the other tier the other
segments church the church segment
um you’re not you’re not there you’re
there for a relationship with God and
for worship um perhaps for friendship
and so there’s just an affinity with
those people you have no real
requirement to be there you’re there
because you want to be right if your
family doesn’t want you to be there if
your tier one doesn’t want you to be in
that church you have a choice you yeah
you either stay in the church and break
your tier one or you stay with your tier
one and leave that church find another
way to worship now that brings up
another another way that’s question is
uh where is your relationship with God
if you have a belief in a God is that a
tier one yeah is he tier two or is it
tier one if you happen to be Moses and
and God is your only friend because
you’re exiled from your country and
you’re out here with with in the desert
he wasn’t completely by himself or job
job was completely by himself for while
everyone was railing against him and he
was the only one it was he and God but
he had his friends he had his family his
family all died his friends were trying
to tell him to curse God and die um but
he decided to stay with his was that a
tier one
relationship and can it be it’s your one
relationship with your personal
relationship with
God and can that supersede the family
yeah so I’ve seen diagrams where they
have the a a triangle and at the top of
the triangle is God and then in one of
the corners the lower Corners is family
is that correct yeah it was the husband
and hband and wife okay so the triangle
is husband and wife and and the closer
and God the closer you get to God the
idea of that triangle the closer you get
to God the closer you are to each and
that is a the further away you get God
the further way you are from each other
because if it was a right Tri then then
you could bring two closer together but
the other one could stay further apart
further away um yeah no any a triangle
has only three sides if it was a square
you could stay the same distance or
further away with a parallelogram but
the triangle and the two dots getting
closer to the third dot are always going
to get closer to each other there’s no
no other way to do a triangle no think
about a right triangle where you’ve got
a 90° on one side a right triangle 90°
angle and then a hypotenuse between the
edges so you’re going to say the corner
of the right triangle is one person the
bottom of the hypotenuse is the other
and God is on the top of that hypotenuse
yeah that in a right triangle that top
dot can stay really far away and the
other two can come closer together so I
think it’s I think it’s an isos triangle
is what where you each side equals each
other each side is the same length and
so if you bring if you reduce the length
of one side then you’re saying in right
triangle reduce in a right triangle one
of them could be really close to God and
the other one could be really far away
with the right triangle right really far
away from God right and you’re still in
the same triangle but if you get if if
the one gets closer to God that doesn’t
necessarily bring the other one closer
yeah so the aim is in oses triangle if
one gets closer than the other ones well
it’s just it just angles I mean you you
still both have to get closer together
to make it yeah so the aim is that you
want triangle relationship with God and
not a right triangle relationship with
God
right um maybe maybe okay because the
angle changes if if the right triangle
say the guy on the right triangle
adjusts it’s going to it’s going to make
it not a right triangle anymore if the
other one doesn’t move it’s still G to
view that triangle I think we have to be
in person to look at this in order to
understand right triangle what you’re
talking about because okay um I think so
you need to learn your your math is off
no no my my math is correct your is
you’re completely right I’m the one
that’s not seeing right it’s just that
we’re not understanding each other maybe
we’re both right but we just have to be
able to see it right okay well and and
that’s not it’s not important
that’s not it right now the the
importance of that is is the
relationship with God we’re trying to
identify is that tier one or tier two is
God a tier one with us or a tier two
should or maybe some people might say
it’s a zero tier thing like it’s dep
your your overall health depends on a
relationship with God so and let’s just
say God is that ethereal spiritual thing
it’s our soul our spirit our spirit and
in in some status they say return home
to God you’re going to just return to
God and be part of God when you die so
there’s some spiritual thought along
that line is you just become you’re
you’re rejoined to God so your your
spirit is God in you um so that would be
the zero here if God is in you right and
that may be true in almost all religions
you feel that if your personal
relationship is an internal thing it’s a
spiritual connection and that’s what
supersedes that’s that’s got to be
correct before you can even participate
with your tier one relationships is be
somewhat secure in your spiritual
connection in your zeroth year and this
is this is it is a religious idea if you
are not a religious person is it still
true if if there is no God yeah you
still have you still have a spirit I
spiritual health there’s still some
Force operating your body
besides decides your Consciousness so if
you don’t consider that’s God if that’s
nature if that’s Evolution if that’s
just something something that’s keeping
your heartbeating your autonomic nervous
system you know you got this thing in
your head that’s making things keep
working and it’s just something in your
head but it’s not conscious you have
your conscious self and you’ve got that
thing that’s keeping you alive right and
we had talked about
Consciousness and subconscious and
unconscious
right um and I don’t think that the
matter is settled on that still but
probably not we’re not going to settle
anything all right but I but you still
talk about it yeah um so I don’t I don’t
know I I I’m thinking that God more
relates to the zero TI okay like you
said it’s each individuals because in
your first tier relationships you could
have any number of individual
relationships with God there’s four
people in there you could have 12
different relationships with God right
on different level
um because you’re yeah you you’re
deciding you’re still an individual with
all this you’re taking your zero tier
into into the second
tier in operating so the simple
Simplicity I think tier one does make
any make sense of where it is which is
people um your your church yeah your
church relation ship isn’t God that’s
just your sociality it’s where you
deciding to worship your with your
religious friends like those people you
have an identity with uh it’s not a
direct even even if there are covenants
involved and you’re agreeing to do these
things specifically with that group of
people and your your life is based on
that philosophy and mindset it’s still
not God directly okay all right so third
tier I really want to identify beyond
the second tier so the second tier are
those things you can choose it’s your
priority you’re prioritizing what I want
to do and that’s the communities that
you’re choosing activity in that you’re
a part of you can choose to be a part
you can play chess by yourself at home
so are there and that isn’t a tier two
thing it’s just it’s just a thing you do
well it’s your zeroth tier by yourself
is just you with your family can have
dinner together and that’s the tier one
having dinner together um but when you
choose a chest Club outside of your home
then you turn that activity into a tier
two activity or yeah or if you invite
other people into your home it’s a tier
2 activity even though you’re in the
location but you’re doing it with people
that aren’t in your tier one and your
tier one would have to say as okay you
can bring your chest bues over have a
chest okay so that’s tier two if they
don’t if they say no definitely not not
tonight you’re not doing that tonight
then you have to find some other place
to do that chest tournament if you’re
GNA do it okay
tier three tier one is responsible for
getting you to tier two is there
anything that you associate with in tier
that that you can’t choose to be a part
of in tier two you said yeah in tier two
are there things well I’m trying to
Define Tier three by the question so are
there are there things that people do
that they didn’t choose to do um well
one that’s coming in in to mind is like
if you’re a kid in a religious household
and your parents make you go to church
you don’t really have any choice not to
do that I mean it’s if you’re made to go
somewhere so then so the same kind of
thought if you’re incarcerated or if
you’re coerced to do something if you’re
coerced then it’s not something that you
would call it your to it’s not something
you’re doing because you enjoy it uh the
kid at church isn’t necessarily
worshiping he’s just going because
because mom made me go okay that’s why
I’m here and the the person that’s in in
prison did something to earn that prison
sentence but they they’re coerced
they’re required to stay there in that
facility it’s not that it’s their first
tier they would choose to not be there
if if they had the choice yeah and if
they were going to live their life the
way they under priorities prioritized
their life they wouldn’t be in that
situation right possibly now there’s
possibly some people who just love it in
prison because you have no no
responsibilities um so does that answer
the question though is does that fit in
the tier 2 activity that you didn’t
choose or to tier 2 community that you
didn’t choose to be a yeah if you yeah
if you didn’t choose the community tier
two is is kind of described those are
the things you want to do you need
permission from tier one to get to you
don’t need permission if they put you in
jail someone else is taking Authority
and saying we don’t care what your tier
one say who cares that you that you’re
the bread winner in the house you did
this you deserve to be in jail you’re
going to jail and you got either 30 days
or you got 30 years depending on what
you H there tier one has no control over
that your your zero here has no control
of that God has no control over that if
there’s something that they incarcerate
you they incarcerate even if it was
let’s say you were just in South America
and you were picked up by a
cartel and they put you in prison that
that’s that’s it you’re stuck in the
jungle in a in a prison and you can’t
get out so you’re you’re not choosing
that the the Safety and Security of your
tier one doesn’t matter your tier two
relationships don’t matter uh you’re
zeroth tier you’re trying to stay alive
you’re you’re back to just you inside
the cell inside of this incarcerated
coerced situation right so I think
that’s a tier three idea you think you
you don’t you you don’t necessarily have
to go through tier two to get to it but
it’s something that you can’t choose you
can’t
sayy no you can’t tell the prison I just
want to live here can I come in okay
they won’t let you live in the prison if
you’re not if you don’t qualify to be
there so let’s see what else is there if
uh if I have a kid suddenly I’m in a
mother Community I am a mom and that
means say you didn’t plan it a child
comes along in your life it wasn’t
planned well even if it if it was
planned I’m still like I can’t say I’m
not going to be a mom I I have a kid but
I can’t say that I’m not going to be a
mom you know so I’m I’m a part of that
Community St status of motherhood even
if you adopt the child away you still
have the status of motherhood you have
mother a child yeah you’re a mother um
maybe maybe not and you’re part of that
group you you you don’t necessarily have
to do anything with that group but you
didn’t did you choose that
group or if you’re a victim of crime
stat I mean just the fact that you went
to
school yeah a victim of crime a rape
victim you’re a rape victim that’s just
now that’s part of your mentality it’s
part of your
psychological dealings in the life for
the rest of your life you choose not to
be a part of that Community anymore like
one day you’re like you know what I’m
tired of being a victim and so from now
on I’m I mean you can that’s a a mindset
thing where you can say I’m not a victim
this this made me this this doesn’t
Define me as a victim anymore but that
doesn’t change the fact that it happened
to you right and I think you’re talking
about two different things yeah your
your mindset even though you graduated
from the uh whatever University you’re
Alum to this University even though
everyone hates that University in the
town you mooved to you’re you’re part of
the enemy you don’t have to talk about
it but you don’t have to advertise it
either and you probably aren’t going to
advertise it right if you’re living
right in the middle of the of the Rival
school right um and if anyone finds out
you just say can we just keep that quiet
right I’m not gonna make a big deal
don’t make a big deal out of it I don’t
want to be
hit I don’t I don’t want to be beat up
so it’s the same same thing I mean
victim status you can choose your
mindset about it but it doesn’t change
the fact fact that you are a victim of
that crime that you’re a right there was
a crime committed against you and it
doesn’t have to affect your life about
like the uncle that you never talked to
he doesn’t affect your life he’s still
he’s still in that extended family toer
though okay so you have an your
situations I think they’re still too
there’s something happen to they didn’t
happen to you on purposely you didn’t
choose it and you didn’t have to have
tier one’s permission so that’s I think
a a determination here does tier one
have to let you do it and did you choose
it if tier one doesn’t have to let you
do it and you didn’t choose it I think
that sets it up in tier three okay give
me it’s something you’re just moved more
examples of what that is then um this is
the first time this conversation the
first time I thought about those type
things incarceration or being coerced to
do something okay uh or or part of a a
criminal you know having some in
something enacted upon you that you
didn’t you didn’t want but it is you
just happen to have a scar on your face
or a birthmark you’re a kid with a birth
mark so you’re one of
those um the other thing and the thing I
thought of first that that really is
that third tier that you can’t
necessarily choose you need to be
invited to is political position so even
joining the city council or the you have
to be elected to certain position yeah
you won’t get elected unless you express
your interest in it though most often
well and I I don’t know I don’t have the
even the anecdotal experience I I don’t
have the understanding of talking to a
number of people as to whether they were
asked to to uh to run I think most
people that run are asked to run as
opposed to saying I just want to be the
president of the United States and I’m
going to push it until I get there M but
you you succeed at one thing you’re
you’re popular and you’re working work
environment is good you’re you you do
well in your career in your tier two
stuff and then people around you start
saying you should be our Congressman you
should you should be our governor we
need you as the governor and that’s what
gets you to start thinking about it you
really probably don’t have the ambition
I and you know Donald Trump maybe he
likes he likes to do what he’s doing but
he says i’ rather be somewhere else I
really would rather not do this but
there’s there’s problems that I need to
solve and I know I can solve it and I’m
here if you guys would elect me I’ll be
happy to do it
okay and Cala she she went on her
um her Public Service she says she’s
always been employed by the people um
she’s never done anything on her own
never created any corporate anything so
been a an employee of the state and then
went on to in order to get from the the
Attorney General of California someone
had to suggest you’d be great to go to
the Senate we need someone of the
senator and we can support
you yeah and this is what you’re
assuming happens you haven’t really
right I haven’t asked anyone talked to
her I don’t know and I don’t know any
Senators as to whether they were invited
JD V he mentioned it in one of his
interviews ear
he said he had no no indication in
intention to be a US senator but he was
doing this work in Ohio in his hometown
he went down to do those things and and
people said we need you to be the
senator will you do that he was invited
okay to run for the sen and he agreed to
it he agree yeah okay I can do that I
can dedicate my life now to that um but
you got someone like um oh who who who
who has no chance of being elected Kanye
West running for the president didn’t he
run that the last yeah there was around
there was a little bit of a campaign
going yeah and and he may have said you
know publicity stunt I just want to be
the president I think I can do great
yeah or someone like Arnold
Schwarzenegger he decided to be the
governor of California you know maybe he
just he decided to do that and maybe he
was invited I don’t know maybe Kanye was
invited to run
um if you or I wanted to run for
president we could go through and get to
10,000 votes in each state or whatever
it was that that um RFK said he had to
get to get on the ballot you could do
that you get enough people you could pay
for it or have a but you need a group
behind you to pay for all the people to
go out and get those signatures somehow
you’ve got to get the signatures you got
to have support it’s so large that if
you did tried to do it by yourself I
don’t think it could be done yeah even
if you’re a billionaire okay so it’s
something you need support to do you
need someone inviting you to that level
to that Arena um in order to to serve
serve the government you have to be
invited that I mean staff positions or
cabinet positions or ambassadorships
those things that are handed out by
presidents or by Governors you’re you’re
appointed to a council in the state you
you’re appointed to that Council you’re
not you don’t say let’s just build a
council and I’m going to be the the
leader of
it or I’m going to go be the ambassador
to China you you don’t volunteer right
you is this the same you’re asked you’re
do you think this is the same uh no down
or no th this is the same this is the
same as how they do it in in churches I
mean well okay so in the LDS church I I
don’t know about churches yeah in in in
the LDS church if if the high in the LDS
church you’re even the bishop even the
bishop does not doesn’t say you know I
I’m volunteering I want to nominate me
right but I think you don’t you don’t
nominate is there the chance like in
other
denominations they go to Seminary and
they they they go to religious training
school and and then they apply for the
position and they apply for the job you
apply for the pastor of position and
church and then the board of directors
of the church but the board I think you
know the chairman of the board of that
church or the trustees whoever is
running that church making a decision
who their Pastor is going to be well
like the Boy Scouts the the board is
invited so the people that actually run
it that are making the decisions they’re
not volunteering to say I I’m going to
be the chairman of the board of the
church okay people are invited in it’s
just like the band a um any nonprofit
any board
a nonprofit board you’re invited onto
that board for a purpose for a reason
and if you do your job then maybe you
continue to advance and maybe some other
bigger board picks you up but to you
can’t say I want to serve on a corporate
board and be paid 50,000 a year yeah and
apply for that position you have to be
invited to a corporate board for a paid
position yeah and that’s based on your
what you’ve done in in the world and how
valuable you might be to that board and
what that company is doing
whether the chairman and the board
members that are already there invites
you to Corporation corporate board and
even if you founded the
corporation you’re not necessarily going
to be the chairman of the board right
and they can kick you out like they did
Steve Jobs he founded Apple Computer and
the board exited him so you can’t choose
it when you get to a certain level you
don’t choose your your tiers and so
that’s what I say is tier three there’s
those things and church callings the
Catholic Church operates on that same
thing you you can be a priest and find a
place to serve but they they call you
into the position and you can’t apply to
be a m senior you’re you’re called up
from the priesthood to be a mon Senor
and whatever a bishop right up to the
pope and the pope is selected by a group
he doesn’t say I’m going to be the pope
right so you’re called into those those
r goals of service and that’s the ones
you’re called into or coerced into and
maybe it is a
coercion you know you don’t turn down a
calling to be a m senior in the Catholic
Church you don’t turn down a calling to
be this B president or a an apostle or a
70 in the lest Church you’re you’re
called you can make mistakes and get
kicked out but you can’t and you can I
guess you can decline to move to to
level three but you can’t get to level
three because you chose it you can’t say
I’m now a
an area 70 for the church and I’m just
going to visit all the places and you
know the Bishops are going to have to
recognize me because I say I am this
position I’m smart enough for it okay so
are you saying level three does have
some
activity associated with it it’s the
service this is all service this is
communities that you still community
service we’re not talking about
communities that you’re just a part of
and nothing is happening right well no
even though like your
alumni what what you’re an alumni of
your University you may not serve it
you’re you’re serving it because you’re
there motherhood you’re always in
motherhood category and that’s one that
that you didn’t select you selected your
University um you didn’t select
motherhood you didn’t select that you
are an ex conon you did select it the
fact that you served prison time that
you were required to do that no one had
to agree to do it people had to agree
for you to go to college people probably
had to agree for you to be a mother so
that may be tier two still what else can
you be I well anything that you do any
service that you do you agree to do it
like you go you you can choose to not do
it right any any service that you have
an option to do tier three let’s say
tier three invites you to go and you say
I’m not going not gonna I’m not going to
go be political it’s so they’re inviting
you to a political service in tier three
that that you had to be invited to and
elected to and say no I’m not going to
I’m not going to run then you you just
don’t go there you can’t be there if you
didn’t right
okay so you had to put your name in the
in the ballot and people had to elect
you in even though you know you look at
this current election with with Cala
Harris and she she wasn’t elected by the
people specifically but the whole
convention ratified it and elected her
so she still received the nomination um
and however that that occurred right so
she’s invited to be there and she’s
there that’s it’s legitimate is there a
tier four do you think and what what
could tier four be if there is one the
tier three is what you’re invited to or
what you’re coursed into or what you I
think we need more examples for what’s
in tier three because I still don’t
understand like what that
what what are you coerced into you’re
coerced into prison well yeah but you
you didn’t choose to go join prison you
you chose to commit the crime but you
didn’t choose to be committed to prison
right is and potentially the or or you
didn’t even commit the crime and you
were put in prison in a foreign country
and and inappropriately and you’re
innocent or you’re innocent and they
just convicted you and 30 years later
they’re going to find out that they
convicted you L and they release you you
still where they’re in the tier three
service without uh without your choice
and without the approval of your the the
tiers below it and maybe that’s it the
tier one has to agree to join the tier
two want to be with the tier want to be
outside in tier two tier one could just
live with tier one a zero tier could
just be his individual and never never
open up be a hermit never open up to
tier one so you’re choosing that are you
forced into tier one children are when
they’re
born um an adopted child or a a child in
foster care is adopted is forced into
its here one right they have no choice
in it they’re caregiver theyed into that
children are coers into a tier one and
then you have the choice whether you
want to stay with it so maybe you I
would well we talked about that with
tier one I would say children generally
have no choice in in any of the
communities that they’re part of they’re
coerced to join all of them all of their
unless they want to be in the band or
they want to be an athlete yeah possible
the parents say you’re going to be a
golfer no matter what you’re going to be
a golfer yeah there are there are
exceptions but generally parents choose
what’s good what’s good for their kids
and and or or they can say you can do
any you have to do a sport but you can
pick which one and so they’re being
coerced into a Sporting Community into
activity yeah or you’re gonna go to my
alma Mo you’re going to Old Miss it’s
just what happens yeah you can’t choose
anywhere else right um the other
anything beyond tier three though I
don’t think there’s anything people do
so the question is is there anything
anywhere people are that that we can’t
identify as zero at their first or
second tier that they’re choosing or
third tier that they were invited into
or course to be at is there anywhere
else people can be any other realm of
existence I don’t think there
is you think about this okay so I’m
gonna I’m going to name a community and
you tell me which te’s in all right see
if you can
find so
your uh quilt Club quilting Club what is
that a quilting Club the a humanitarian
project that you’re doing with the
number of women that you’re quilting
with yeah or and you’re making quilts
maybe you’re not making quilts for
anyone else except yourself but you just
humanitarian you’re just you’re just in
a quilting class or a club that tries to
increase their skill yeah that’s got to
be it’s here too you’re you’re selecting
to be a part of that club that group so
a group is in in tier two clearly okay
uh what about and it’s not your tier one
I I don’t think anyone there could
calling that as a tier one because you
you don’t you can’t full responsibility
you’re not gonna have full
responsibility expectations of your
quilting Club partner a dance partner
you might let’s say you’re a dance
partner you are a you and your dance
partner are Ball Room dancers and you’re
competing for some of the larger Awards
going to the nice shows um that could be
a tier one relationship even though
you’re totally platonic not married um
and you’re both just zero tear operating
on your own but that dance is your whole
life it’s your career it’s your it’s
everything so would would a performance
music group or a competition music group
be a tier one thing when you’re
depending on the other people could it
be a tier one yeah the tier one is where
your primary relationships are if that
is your primary relationship do we know
any groups that have done that that have
just been The Beatles were the Beatles
just the
beatle or did they have lives outside of
that group was that a a tier 2 group
that they sang with and certainly when
they started breaking up and changing
things but during their during their
building years where they were out every
night and every day they were probably
the only ones they talked to yeah they
they were doing three or four shows a
day all over England and gained
notoriety right and that’s all they did
they wrote and they did that but then
they got to the level that they all went
off and developed their own tier one
after that so probably was a tier one
for a while that they decided to leave
their family leave their required tier
one position as children and say we’re
going to create this and we’re going to
be the five of us to go to deserve fi or
four this just for Neals yeah I think so
then um okay so in in uh how about drum
and bugle cores where in the
winter there’s not much activity but in
the summer they travel and they live
with each other in hotels and
dormitories and whatever and they spend
nearly all of their time rehearsing and
Performing and competing
is that what what tier is that are they
paid are they paid enough are they paid
enough to compete they I mean like from
what
I level as the members of these cores
pay to be a part of it they’re not paid
okay like the group is probably paid I
bet the group is paid but they it’s it’s
like the like the dance team ballroom
dance I mean they probably don’t have
Ballroom Dan all year but there’s a
season so if there’s a drum bugle season
it’s possible that some people would say
this is my my whole career you know and
then independently wealthy person person
who didn’t have to serve a tier one
anywhere else they the zero of tier
you’re caring for yourself and I can
work enough outside in my hermitude
being a zero tier that this is my only
first tier so it could be a tier one it
could be but necessarily it’s not it’s
it’s most most likely it’s your do okay
any group you can join is most likely
it’s your to a dance team I mean a
ballroom dance team you and your partner
are most likely tier two partners even
though there’s it could be high
expectations and responsibility for a
time it’s likely just tier two right and
that depends on if you have a tier one
that’s allowing you to do that dance
partnership okay if you’re just a zero
of tier and that’s your only tier one
you could term that that could be the
tier one
um but if you if you’re married or if
you have kids then your kids are going
to say yeah Dad you can go and dance I’m
okay we’ll be
fine at home um so okay how about um
your political
party being a Republican or
independent um that’s an affinity with
the group yeah that’s a here to a TI to
you can choose to be involved in it or
you can choose choose just to be a named
alumni or a named member of that group
you’re on a list the group will call you
and it’s possible since you’re on the
list that the group will call you and
say we need you to be maybe so enough
people know you that say we know we want
to bring you to level three in the
Republican party and let you be a prient
commitment we need you to serve as that
position for us so you can be called to
that and let it be it could be a tier
three but if if they ask your Republican
membership isn’t there if they ask you
to step up and do something then that
becomes a tier three step up yeah what
if you decline then you didn’t step up
right yeah it’s still CH you’re you’re
you’re agreeing not to serve that tier
yeah you’re choosing not to serve that
tier if you CH you can’t and I guess
well no you still can’t you can say I
want to be PRI of committee man you go
to the meeting and you say I want you
guys to vote for me for pring comp any
man you’re you’re holding up your hand
saying I’d like to be this they have the
choice still to invites you in or not so
most likely you you can be that if you
choose to be that PR and committee man
the lowest elected level in the party in
the Republican party I don’t know how
the Democrats operate with it what Co in
the caucus system so it’s the lowest
level elected position you’re just
elected by your neighborhood group to
serve in that position and then you get
to go to the State Convention and you’re
you’re electing the state delegates and
things like that that’s that’s where it
starts then you got start talking to
people that are care about that level
and then they might invite you to a
higher
level and all of that invitation is a is
a tier three but there’s nothing else
you can do that’s that’s beyond those
people don’t exist in anything outside
of something you’re invited to or course
to be in or that you choose to be a part
of and or supported in by your tier one
I think it ends at tier
three and tier three incl includes
Community or City County State national
worldwide government worldwide
invitations ambassadorships like that or
if you’re going to be on the UN councils
you have to be invited to those
councils or part of the bilderbergerer
society or the Illuminati you don’t you
don’t just go and join you know apply to
the Illuminati or the bilderbergers
you’re invited into that most private
soci ities Run the World the Ro’s family
you can’t go and be part of their part
of their group okay tier three is
Invitation Only yeah um or private clubs
um country clubs many country clubs you
can’t just go join you have have to be
sponsored in to the country club right
by someone that invited
you and tier two is things that you can
move in and out of Fairly easily and
that that you need to have a strong tier
one in order to do well really be
invited into Political positions you
still have to have a strong tier one
that’s supporting you doing that maybe
you’re tier one still has to support you
no matter what no matter what other
outside tier tier two and tier three
right even if you’re even if you’re
incarcerated even if you’re going
coerced to being in prison you’re one
can continue to support you in prison or
you can break that tier one and then you
you you lose the tier one because you
went to prison for this heinous crime
that now we can’t have you as part of us
anymore so I think so it’s here one can
exist in all the other tiers and and it
it it can only exist I I think the only
way it can exist if it supports the
other tiers that you’re serving
otherwise you break that tier okay so
are you saying can have a have tier two
and tier three with a broken tier
one yeah if you’re invited to tier three
you have to invited in tier three but
wherever you’re serving you can serve
there you either have the support of
your tier one or you agree to break it
they I I think that it’s a priority
thing I think that this is more
important so I’m going to break examples
of that have example of that we never we
never hear about Napoleon’s wife or his
Hitler’s wife yeah I don’t know um well
would going to prison break your tier
one it’s possible that it could and
that’s what I say if you committed a
heinous crime enough that the family
that you’re your tier one relationships
because we no longer want to expect
anything from you or require or be
responsible for you anymore you’re
you’re done so you’re you’re out and
then they become an extended family or
an ex family I guess your exf family
would go into tier two as well you’re
you’re always part of that Community
this is my exwife and ex-child you’re a
part of it uh they’re now stepchildren
of someone else and he’s a a wife to
someone else and I’m just here in this
third tier prison until I can get out
yeah just because they have a label
because if you I mean if you never talk
to your ex
spouse ever again you never see them you
never talk to them you never right
associate with them think of them even
if you never think of them again you
never think about them again they’re
still stat they still have that label
status is still there yeah so like all
of my ex-boyfriends are in my tier two
Community yeah all 7,000 of them I it
were yeah right all of them yeah think I
they’re part of an affinity group my
exboyfriend on two hands
maybe less maybe one hand
actually yeah probably one
hand um so you’re always part of that
you you’re always associated with that
an affinity group and those are all
level two because it’s something you
experienced though if you reced or you
were a yeah I I think level three is
just that thing that you didn’t choose
and I think that’s the only way it
exists you you can’t just go and be
employed as a a state senator even or as
a county county clerk you can’t go be
employed as the elected County Clerk a
recorder County Recorder you have to
apply for that and be elected into it or
a sheriff you could be a deputy sheriff
be hired as a deputy sheriff you can’t
be the sheriff unless the group elects
you to that that post okay what about
the what about the polygamous community
in southern
Utah where the profit
chooses his polygamist wives and and
their coerced into it and yet they still
have all of the tier one
responsibilities they’re raised in that
so the wives are raised in that when
they reach the ripe age of 13 they get
married to the 80-year-old Prophet yeah
however it goes however it works in that
Society is that are they all tier one so
the question is are they all tier one
all 20 wives and even though there was
coercion 70 kids are they tier one or
they tier three group um well so that
would be the question is a child that
you a birthed child in a household or
they a tier three child until they can
make a choice until they’re conscious
enough to make a choice that I want to
be I want to be tier one here or I want
to step off somewhere else yeah the
parents are saying you’re tier one with
me till the child can say okay I’m cheer
one with you Mom I still like you even
though I can think now by by myself or I
think I’m going to stay in your house
yeah the nature of being a minor um
implies that you are coerced into every
every like like I was saying about
sports you’re just coerced into the
communities that you’re in and so are
they they’re in a tier three a tier
three relationship they didn’t choose it
and they were elected they were they
were volunteered wored into it so
children minors are not are not a
they’re not in a tier tier one well yeah
the tier one is is the people you’re
closest to but there’s a tier three
aspect to that a non-elected aspect
right or a non-chosen aspect non-chosen
maybe you start we all start in tier
three we were thrown down here on this
Earth as a baby totally dependent on
someone else in a prison we had no no no
way to figure out how to move it and
then we finally learned how to lift our
head and roll over and crawl and then we
could walk in our little prison and then
at some point we gained Consciousness
and brought it to to a a zero tier or
tier
one I don’t knowbe that’s too too con
what purpose would this type of concept
hold yeah I think convoluted
is may be a really good word for this
whole thing because this whole idea
still doesn’t make sense it’s still like
it’s it’s not clear it’s not simple is
there any practical use any practical
use for defining the zero at first
second third tiers of living of service
yeah any practical reason for it the so
I imagine one reason why someone would
want to know this is they feel like they
deserve permission to participate in
tier 2 and tier three
activities um and someone in their tier
one is refusing to accept that they have
any right at all to be outside of tier
one right now like you’re not fulfilling
your tier one responsibilities and
expectations and so you can’t you can’t
be spending time in tier two at all I
think it’s the permission and support
part I think maybe you just need to be
you you need to Define tier one and tier
two is a priorities thing right is it it
it’s a priorities thing yeah it helps
you place your priorities is if you know
what’s in tier one and what’s in tier
two and you can clearly place the line
for that then it’ll help you make
decisions on
priority right right the person inside
tier one can see that that’s the person
that wants to live in tier two let’s say
that that that person just wants to live
in tier two I just want to be AER or
whatever in tier two but tier one if you
have it defined and you know where the
lines are tier one says here’s here’s
where you’re you’ve got expectations and
responsibilities inside this tier and
you’re not meeting those and you’re
choosing that that’s your tier one so
it’s all it’s all the choice yeah so
prioritize and that’s what maybe this
helps in divorce law or mediation
somehow to Define these lines okay you
have some responsibility and
expectations out there but there’s this
primary expectation
responsibility you chose that first it’s
the ultimate career you you chose to
support the ultimate career by having
that care career so if that career is
all that important you have to break
your support of the ultimate career
right if you want to call yourself out
so it’s divorce and mediation maybe it
it just helps Define where that is and
what they talk about skeletons in the
closet if you’re invited to tier three
and you got skeletons in the closet
things that you did bad in your tier one
or some of your tier two activities yeah
in your life and those come out that
just a whatever an excon you’re you’re a
a convicted felon so you can’t really
serve in tier three perhaps unless the
conviction was a sham right now you gave
me a paper and I misplaced it I don’t
know where it is but you drew what your
idea of these communities were months
ago I think I think maybe they might
have might have you have it your uh I
messaged it to you I S to picture yes
yes you sent it so you didn’t give me
the paper you just sent me a photo of it
um yeah you’ve got the picture so and I
can find it and send it again oh I’m
sure I can find it that’s the only thing
I have as far as a as a delineation or a
representation of what oh there it is
yeah so what you had written down tier 2
work extended family Hobbies Church well
the yeah yeah this is tier tier two
right that’s yeah okay adult children
around uh volunteer CH and Charities
tier three is City County nation state
International and then also prison and
also prison or coerced coerced
position
and the closer then would you say the
closer the tier is is to you the more
responsibility you have to it you have
to meet those
responsibilities before you can move out
into the further tiers is that well and
I don’t know I think tier tier three you
have to succeed in tier two before
you’ll be invited to tier three that was
my point you either have to succeed to
get invited to the the elected position
right or you have to uh completely fail
tier two to be coerced into the prison
systems in tier three you you can’t
voluntarily move into those electric
positions or voluntarily move into
prison unless you break tier two
something in tier two okay and you can’t
live completely in tier two unless you
break tier one yeah that that may be a
delineation here okay if you want to
live completely in work or in your
hobbies the only way to do that is to
break tier one to get there you have to
break tier one to get to the prison part
of tier three or to break tier two it’s
somewhere um but you don’t have to break
tier zero to get to tier one maybe you
do because tier zero you’re you’re
agreeing to join a second tier you’re
agreeing not to be Haron not to be alone
okay WR no man is an island no man
stands alone you’re you’re part of a
group you choosing to be a part of a
group or you’re choosing to stand alone
so you’re breaking the tier zero you’re
saying I’m no longer just me I’m part of
a group now and this is tier one this is
my tier one family and this is my
identity and when you when you do get
elected into a state position or Nation
you do break to here too as well you
break your you can no longer be employed
as the as the manager of McDonald’s if
now you’re a state senator well you
can’t you can do that as state senator
you can’t really do that as a national
Senator some jobs are full-time jobs
right that you’re elected to like the
sheriff if you run for Sheriff and you
get elected Sheriff even though you’ve
never been in law enforcement before you
can’t you can’t keep your at job you
have to go and be the job of the sheriff
yes yeah it’s I think it’s really hard
to find a clear line between between
these tier two and tier three I mean you
can say you choose to be you choose to
participate in tier 2 activities and you
get invited to tier three activities and
still there feels like there’s some tier
three activities that you can choose to
do or not or I mean well you get invited
to them and then you can choose then you
have the choice but yeah the choice to
accept it or to accept the nomination
you know someone nominates you or
invites you to to run you can choose to
run or not but I wonder if you can line
up your life and and try and hit as many
goals as you can like you’re attempting
to become president in the United States
as a kid you’re like I want to be
president and then the they say well you
need to get this a degree at College
that’s step one and then if you serve in
the military that’ll increase your
chances and you mean you have all these
things these make sure you’re fully
involved in the party and and that
you’re serving on all these committees
and you get to know these people these
are the important movers and shakers
that you need to know and so call them
up visit with a milal buy them lunch
they’ll be happy to right and and
eventually enough people are going to
know you and see how much you care about
this that yeah it’s possible you’ll get
invited to to run as the President right
and but that’s a series of choices that
you have to make I don’t think that you
can accidentally do all of the things
can you accidentally do all of the
things that would qualify you to be
George Washington yeah but yeah yeah to
to be called up to a position like that
yeah maybe
you you do you have to do that you have
to be that type of person um just like
someone called into a church service you
know you can’t call someone to be a a
general Authority in the LDS church if
they’re not stable and
sufficient yeah you don’t call people to
be State presidents unless they can
afford the 10 years service time that’s
required to be a state President right
or in the state presidency even those
they have to be stable career have to
have their tier one solid and tier two
has to be solid so that they can do that
church service on tier three um
especially in that case because you’re
you have to keep your tier one and two
going you you’re not hired on full-time
and even if you do have a stipend if
you’re called as a mission president you
receive some pay for that or if you’re
called as a a general Authority and you
receive a stien and you’re you’re paid
for that position you still maintaining
tier one and tier two if you happen to
write book and stuff I mean still
operating
yeah okay um I’m not sure that I have
much more time toig this out I think
that’s all we do the only value we have
with this here system is to be able to
delineate it identify it I I don’t know
that there’s any practical purpose for
it yeah I think I think there is a
practical purpose I think it can help
straighten out your life I I think
priorities knowing that I think knowing
that you have a tier one that you can
disrespect by moving into tier two when
your tier one isn’t healthy or or happy
or
supportive I think knowing that can help
you lay out wait a minute where do I
really want to be spending my time right
if your aspirations are tier three you
could be breaking every you may not make
it if you don’t keep a strong tier one
and tier two yeah um and it’s just just
another way to help become a more
effective view right uh it’s just not
clear enough like we can’t write a book
off of this yet it doesn’t it’s not
simple enough well and I I I think it’s
so what we don’t have a practical the
Practical reason for it yet what what
question questions does it answer on its
own yeah you build a chart you build a a
ideal what a yeah a chart you build a
chart in order to answer questions to be
easily seen yeah so it needs more
thought on that but at least this is the
first start of it yeah figure out if
that chart can be useful somehow and
somewhere and what question is that
answered what questions it helps in
prioritization well I think
more we read mediation and the more that
we talk to other people I think that’ll
that’ll become clear yeah and welcome
other input to this conversation yeah
okay all right okay better let that go
all right that was really fun talking
about all of that yeah so okay bye okay
byebye
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